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T - a fine job of spotting the trees, dude! Now let's have a look at the forest.
I thought threadnapping this particular post was appropriate for a couple of reasons:
First, as mentioned, it was the Seamanship thread dedicated to measuring the threshold of when a sailor refuses to go out. And that question, as I'm sure you'll agree, is often very closely related to BFS. So it caught my eye.
Second, this outsider's opinion of US sailing being "rather bizarre" certainly rang true with me. Yes, in the paragraph you glommed onto, she did in fact discuss pointing. Which, even I believe is actually a good thing when sailing. As is reefing and hiking in heavy conditions where you're getting close to being overpowered as she states. No argument at all. Ah - but here is the actual forest, T...
Thanks to the fine repertoire we've got going in BFS - and especially thanks to JohnP - we now actually know what that Beaufort dude was bandying about. Here's the definition:
Force 3: Gentle Breeze of 7-10 knots, large wavelets.
Now, DDG was apparently seeing a Potomac littered with sailors struggling to maintain a point of sail in 7-10 knots while being attacked by raging wavelets. And she asked why we were teaching to such poor standards in our sailing schools. Maybe you like to reef and hike in 7-10 because you have trouble maintaining POS - and maybe you advocate that as well (I don't know), she just thought it bizarre - as do I. So, I certainly don't see her "preaching" what you point out.
Then her father, who I will assume is the one who has been taking DDG sailing her whole life, runs into the bureaucratic catch-22, and has to stay on the hard rolling his eyes and laughing because of the clubs concern over 8-10 knots - which DDG correctly points out, is NOTHING. And she asks "Why such ignorance?"
Before we get to her last paragraph, I think what she has hit on is the very core of this whole strange debate of BFS - and the very reason so many newbies are mystified with the general attitude around us. For whatever reason, it seems that many sailors in the US (or at least here on Sailnet) are hyper-conservative about sailing to the point that the fun of it all is just dying away. It's become an academic exercise - an empirical right or wrong scenario. In fact, it's to the point where BFS is the "heresy" around here. And that should really make you stop and think. Which brings us to her last paragraph, and most salient I believe...
The actual heresy is the teaching of fear, over-complication and technicality instead of the adventure of actually sailing a boat, with the sails God gave it, in a good stiff breeze. We do waaaaaayyyyyyy too much of the former - and make the latter heresy. She was SPOT ON.
Her post was up for two days - and no one responded to it. Which is something I would expect around here. Unfortunately, now that I pointed it out she's taking a shot or two. Are you going to pile on T? Or are you going to go for a BFS?
Last edited by smackdaddy; 10-01-2008 at 08:14 PM.