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Hey Smack,
Just got back from helping a friend deliver his Leopard 47 from Las Plamas, Gran Canaria to St. Georges, Grenada (specifically St. David’s Bay). Rhumb line course was 2,760NM and we made it in just under 18 days. Not much in the mid-Atlantic but sky and lots of water. Winds were mostly in the 30’s with the occasional gale condition. Had the usual wear and tear on the boat such as chaffed lines, galled shackles and a snatch block that exploded. Blew the fuse in the wind generator when it over sped. Got the boat up to 15.7kts surfing some really big waves and three times averaged over 9kts for my two hour watch period. Not bad for sailing a boat the size of a condo!
Do you realize that I seriously envy your exploits you lucky bastard? 2760 NM! And 16 knots!!!!

How do you like the big multi over a long haul? I've heard the ride is really nice, with far less fatigue than you'd get on a mono.


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Has the BFS region or whatever been picked yet? or are nominations up? or?!?!?!?!?

Mr Winston is lying down waiting for the suspense of seeing if he won this year!LOL
Hey bluto! I'll put up the new poll next week. I want to give everyone the rest of the week to submit their BFSes. There have been some good ones for sure.

Last year it was the Gulfies that brought it home (finally). Hopefully the Westies or Supernorthies can finally get some bling. You guys have to be feeling owned (which explains Mr. Winston's malaise).


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The differences between cats and monos are night and day. The Leopard was very big, stable, and comfy. They sail very, very flat so it is less fatiguing than being on your ear like in a mono hull. The hulls were far enough apart that one hull would be on the trade wind wave and the other on the cross wave so there was a fair amount of yawing, slewing and bouncing about. Surfing, the boat also had a pitching motion. Altogether, very stable and things like coffee and drinks could be left on the galley table without much fear – that is until a wave crest (read “haystack”) high-centers under the bridge deck, then it feels like a bomb or depth charge going off under the boat. Real teeth jarring and was worse when going to weather in 30kts plus.

Being a flat sailor, it doesn’t give you those little queues like “keep the boat under the stick” so you steer by wind angle and course heading. Coupled with the skeg like keels and low aspect rudders, and that is where you get all that yawing, slewing and skidding. The tendency was to use the rudder as a trim tab to keep it in the right direction, but that tended to bleed off speed. It was better to make your corrections all at once when the boat was coming off the wave and both bows pitched up. Rudder commands had to be given with authority and one would begin the counter steer almost immediately once you feel the boat start correcting itself and have the counter steer completed way before you are back on your base course. I was then able to carry the boat speed into the second or third wave and continue the surfing fun. Too much correction and the boat would slow down to 6-7kts between surfs. The boat had no bad habits, I think I only had to fight off a round up maybe once or twice. We had a preventer on the main and the boat was also very forgiving when by the lee.

All in all, a very pleasurable experience. The boat would make for a comfortable platform for a cruising family. The main downside is where to put the thing when in harbor. Even with Med-Moor ties in the Med, the boat is too expensive, hence, why we were delivering it back to the Carib. But very, very easy to anchor or moor. So if you were cruising the Carib, Mexico, or Pacific (following the trades), this boat is something to consider.
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I just had to steal this story (which deservedly has its own thread) because it really needs to be in the BFS Cup contention. Freakin' awesome:

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I thought some of you might enjoy this article by my friend Lee


1000 MILES TO WINDWARD IN MY Westsail 32 “Patience”

CABO SAN LUCAS TO SAN DIEGO CALIFORNIA

So it was time to put up or shut-up. I had been contemplating getting my Westsail 32 Patience back to the US from Mexico by sailing her offshore to windward. I had been discussing the passage with others and I mostly received blank stares from them either not knowing the difficulty that is involved in such a passage or the blank stare as in you’re crazy man. When talking it over with David King (Westsail 32 superman) last summer in the boatyard at Brookings Harbor Oregon, He rubbed his chin and with a glint in his eye said “it could be done“. In fact I knew it had been done by another W32 back in the 70s from reading old issues of “Windbag” a Westsail newsletter from that time period. This is not a new idea as the sailors of the past used this route to work their clipperships up the pacific coast. After careful study of my pilot charts for wind strengths, wind direction and currents, I picked November as the month to make a run at it. This would put hurricanes at a minimum risk and provide the possibility of an early winter “low” to back the wind to the south.

Patience was stored for the summer at Marina Seca Guaymas Sonora, Mexico. I returned there mid October to get her refitted and ready for the run north. Boatyards are full of “experts”. People who “know” about things and are happy to expound their knowledge on you. While working on my boat a guy came by and asked my plans. I told him I was going up the outside of Baja to San Diego. Oh doing the Baja Bash huh? Take plenty of fuel with you. No I said it would be an offshore passage under sail, not a motor bash to windward. Since he “knew” about such things he told me that I wouldn’t make it and furthermore my boat could not do it. We Westsailors are used to people that have never even been on a Westsail bad mouthing our boats so this did not bother me it just made me more determined. I have owned Patience for 19 years with two trips to Hawaii and back, two trips to Mexico and numerous trips up and down the pacific coast so I felt a little more knowledgeable about what she could and couldn’t do. I went ahead quietly preparing the boat knowing that every detail would have to be right. This would be a difficult passage at best.

Patience went back in the water on November 10th and I was ready. First I needed to make the passage down the Sea of Cortez to La Paz and from there down to the cape at Cabo San Lucas. We caught a good norther blowing and rode it down to Espiritu Santo island and then into La Paz. While there I had a very nice family style dinner provided by Steve and LuLu Yoder (Westsail 28 Siempre Sabado). Next morning I headed over to the fuel dock at Marina Costa Baja. Decision time. How much fuel to take on? Since I still had another 150 miles to go to the cape with the fickle Sea of Cortez winds to deal with, I filled the main tank which holds 38 gallons and filled two 5 gallon jugs to get me to Cabo. As it turned out I needed the two jugs of fuel to get there. Now still having a full main tank when arriving at Cabo, I just waved and sailed on by headed for Cabo Falso. Filling more jugs there wouldn’t amount to a spit in a bucket where I was headed and would just make the boat sail poorly.



This was it, the moment of truth, where BS stops and reality sets in. Sailing out from behind Cabo Falso the 25 knot northwesterlies laid us over on the beam. Rolled up the jib, put a reef in the main and sheeted in the staysail. Patience stood up and took off. I set the self steering wind vane at 60 degrees to the wind and this would be my course until I went to port tack into San Diego. The staysail would remain up the entire trip while adjusting the main and jib to keep her balanced. I fully expected to loose some miles to the south before I could make any progress to the north. It turned out that I lost about 18 miles to the south. A small transistor radio provided my weather reports offshore with reports from Don Anderson of “summer passage” and also hi seas weather radio. The next day found me in the middle of a freighter freeway. Between 0300 and 0800 four of the behemoths passed close by. Swallowing my pride I started the engine and burned a few gallons to scurry across the shipping lane like a squirrel crossing the highway. Back on course and sailing again I hear on the radio hurricane Kenneth is 500 miles below me with winds at 150 knots headed northwest. Hurricane? November? 150 knots? Holy Crap! Enough incentive for me to get north as soon as possible into cooler waters. My course so far was just north of true west and it would remain there as long as it took to gain some latitude. The difference in longitude between Cabo and San Diego is significant so I wanted to go west out where the wind would veer a little. She stayed hard on the wind with that little staysail pulling like a locomotive engine. For the next week we would battle into it gaining a little here a little there with one days run of 118 miles to windward. Downwind you can easily do 140-150 mile days. Beating into it, a 100 mile day is pretty good. The 10th day out the weather says strong gale forecast for southern California. Great just what I need a gale from the north. At this point I’m at my location to go on port tack- 180 miles southwest of Guadalupe island. We made the first and only tack of the passage to port and a few hours later the gale hits with considerable force. Down to double reefed main and staysail we slogged into it always going north refusing to give up any miles. After two days the seas had built up so Patience was climbing up the faces and slamming down the backside still gaining north. At one point she failed to make the crest before the sea broke and she was slapped off that wave like a surfer and fell down the face to crash with roar and shudder. At this point you really like that your boat has a hull thickness of 1” of solid glass at the waterline. Later I heard on the radio they had winds of 90 miles per hour in southern Calif. Two days of gale force winds and then it went light then died. I had enough diesel to power in to San Diego in about 12 hours.

 

Some notes on the passage:

When I say “we“- I’m referring to the boat and me. The passage was single-handed.

Total miles sailed from Cabo 1208 nm

Diesel used 12 gallons

Total time 12 days 6 hours

 



 

 

 FINAL THOUGHTS: As sailboat owners if we are going to “talk the talk” we should also “walk the walk” by getting our boats to as many places as we can under sail instead of motoring. I would encourage anyone with a sound properly rigged boat to sweep the jugs of fuel off the decks, hoist the sails and bugger off out there.

WOULD I DO IT AGAIN: Absolutely BUT only in my Westsail.

 

 

Lee Perry

S/V Patience

Westsail 32 #175

Brookings / Harbor Oregon


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The differences between cats and monos are night and day. The Leopard was very big, stable, and comfy. They sail very, very flat so it is less fatiguing than being on your ear like in a mono hull. The hulls were far enough apart that one hull would be on the trade wind wave and the other on the cross wave so there was a fair amount of yawing, slewing and bouncing about. Surfing, the boat also had a pitching motion. Altogether, very stable and things like coffee and drinks could be left on the galley table without much fear – that is until a wave crest (read “haystack”) high-centers under the bridge deck, then it feels like a bomb or depth charge going off under the boat. Real teeth jarring and was worse when going to weather in 30kts plus.

Being a flat sailor, it doesn’t give you those little queues like “keep the boat under the stick” so you steer by wind angle and course heading. Coupled with the skeg like keels and low aspect rudders, and that is where you get all that yawing, slewing and skidding. The tendency was to use the rudder as a trim tab to keep it in the right direction, but that tended to bleed off speed. It was better to make your corrections all at once when the boat was coming off the wave and both bows pitched up. Rudder commands had to be given with authority and one would begin the counter steer almost immediately once you feel the boat start correcting itself and have the counter steer completed way before you are back on your base course. I was then able to carry the boat speed into the second or third wave and continue the surfing fun. Too much correction and the boat would slow down to 6-7kts between surfs. The boat had no bad habits, I think I only had to fight off a round up maybe once or twice. We had a preventer on the main and the boat was also very forgiving when by the lee.

All in all, a very pleasurable experience. The boat would make for a comfortable platform for a cruising family. The main downside is where to put the thing when in harbor. Even with Med-Moor ties in the Med, the boat is too expensive, hence, why we were delivering it back to the Carib. But very, very easy to anchor or moor. So if you were cruising the Carib, Mexico, or Pacific (following the trades), this boat is something to consider.
Man that sounds fun!

I look forward to sailing a cat one of these days. It seems like they'd be ideal to charter for the family - although I don't think I'd want to own one for the reasons you say.


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One of guys made a pretty nice video of our Atlantic crossing. Perhaps seeing this cat's ocean performance will change your mind about cruising in one of these boats, enjoy.

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Great video George. But, dude, when it comes to playing the conch...you seriously blow. Heh-heh.

Did you guys hit any serious squalls? And how do you typically handle the sail plan for a cat like that. It seems that lighter is typically better.


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I've said it before...and I'll say it again...I love the Bumfuzzles.

How can you possibly look at this pic...



...see what they're accomplishing...and NOT say "that's what's cruising is supposed to be about" is beyond me. They are the North Star of the next sailing generation.

Go the Fuzzles!

(PS - Does Gill make foulies in a onesie design?)


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Smack sadly no one yet makes a offshore Approved Onesie.

My mother in law however sewed the below pants, So far tested to 35 knots without any complaint.


Love the Bumfuzzles. Leaving aside any discussion of how they are doing it(and without having a beer with them and chatting about it who am I or any of us to really know) They are doing it, and that continues to inspire us.

There is no idle lying around on our boat however. In such tough economic times it is about time they learn't how to put their crew to work.


2500 nm and I figure it is about time she learn't how to hold a heading.

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Beautiful Chall. Abso-freakin-lutely.

You're a lucky man.


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