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Alright

How about 12-15 knots in a big fat cruising boat.

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How about 12-15 knots in a big fat cruising boat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmVbDDYTdYI

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Smack, here we are N 07.48.33 E 098.57.933 leaving the dream Great sail East from Phuket. Anchored off shore about .3nm. BBQ pork loin, veggies and beans. Ice cold beer. We are enrout to Langkawi Malaysia so I can look at V37 that I may pick up and use in this part of the world. Aevebtyr60 and I are fixen to hook up with another SNer(CPT Len) in the morning when we have better view of the rocks. We are planning on stretching this voyage out to 4 days before I have to return to my apartment in Bangkok in preperation for a flight to Texas for a week visiting. Great way to wind down after working in Afghanistan. The wind is free, not worried about composting toilets, voyaging on 500USD a month, 300USD a month or steel boats (other then the one we may dive on tomorow) I need to tell you in are seriousness and I am not an experienced guy at all however everyone here has come from a very long way to be here. There are not many 1M boats but many very average boats with average people having a great time making by finding a way to make it work for them. Just get out out and do it.

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Smack, here we are N 07.48.33 E 098.57.933 leaving the dream Great sail East from Phuket. Anchored off shore about .3nm. BBQ pork loin, veggies and beans. Ice cold beer. We are enrout to Langkawi Malaysia so I can look at V37 that I may pick up and use in this part of the world. Aevebtyr60 and I are fixen to hook up with another SNer(CPT Len) in the morning when we have better view of the rocks. We are planning on stretching this voyage out to 4 days before I have to return to my apartment in Bangkok in preperation for a flight to Texas for a week visiting. Great way to wind down after working in Afghanistan. The wind is free, not worried about composting toilets, voyaging on 500USD a month, 300USD a month or steel boats (other then the one we may dive on tomorow) I need to tell you in are seriousness and I am not an experienced guy at all however everyone here has come from a very long way to be here. There are not many 1M boats but many very average boats with average people having a great time making by finding a way to make it work for them. Just get out out and do it.

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The boys and I had a KILLER sail on Sunday. Forecast called for 15-20+ knots, and that's exactly what we got.

I wanted to do some testing with the boat and sail configurations in bigger winds so we headed out.

We started with a single reef in the main, and a partially furled genny. The wind at that point was 15-20 and she sailed flat and steady - getting 6.5 knots or so SOG.

We then shook out the reef and unfurled the sail. She remained perfectly stable and bumped up to the low 7s SOG.

The wind continued to build and we were seeing gusts to 27 knots...with full sail. On a reach she was definitely heeling with the puffs, but I was AMAZED at how little weather helm she had compared to my C27. She's an amazingly solid boat.

So, we've learned that she wants a reef when the wind builds past 20 knots. But she is very forgiving...while remaining very fast.

As for that fast part, we caught a 38-ish Beneteau (didn't catch the model) on the same point of sail. We started about 200 yards behind them - and within maybe a mile or so, we were just off their port beam throwing our empties at them.

I love our boat!

(PS - The tide was super low when we got back to the marina. We were actually dragging through the soft silt as I was trying to dock her - stern-in. It was a challenge, but we nailed it. It's great to start gaining some confidence with our new boat.)


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Okay - I wanted to post the video from the above sail. The main reason I wanted to do it was to show how benign 25+ knots of wind can be if you're in the right area at the right time.

Yes, 25+ knots can be fairly scary if you're offshore in it for days. But it's really pretty tame on Galveston Bay, especially when the wind is coming from the WSW as it was that day. Very little fetch, so the water was perfectly flat.

As I mentioned, I wanted to get out in that wind to see how the boat would handle under various sail configurations. We hadn't been in anything more than 15 knots on our past sails. But I didn't want to battle through waves - I just wanted to get a feel for her when she's pressed. So this was the perfect way to do that.

Why is this important? Well, since my FightClub days I've always advocated going out and practicing in "big" conditions. Now, many guys scoffed at such talk - saying it was irresponsible and dangerous. They talked about 25 knots being a scary thing. Sure, it CAN be I suppose, but as you see in this video, if you're conservative and practice in the right places - it's child's play...especially on a 40' boat...



So, as I always say, go big - just stay safe.
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Okay - I wanted to post the video from the above sail. The main reason I wanted to do it was to show how benign 25+ knots of wind can be if you're in the right area at the right time.

Yes, 25+ knots can be fairly scary if you're offshore in it for days. But it's really pretty tame on Galveston Bay, especially when the wind is coming from the WSW as it was that day. Very little fetch, so the water was perfectly flat.

As I mentioned, I wanted to get out in that wind to see how the boat would handle under various sail configurations. We hadn't been in anything more than 15 knots on our past sails. But I didn't want to battle through waves - I just wanted to get a feel for her when she's pressed. So this was the perfect way to do that.

Why is this important? Well, since my FightClub days I've always advocated going out and practicing in "big" conditions. Now, many guys scoffed at such talk - saying it was irresponsible and dangerous. They talked about 25 knots being a scary thing. Sure, it CAN be I suppose, but as you see in this video, if you're conservative and practice in the right places - it's child's play...especially on a 40' boat...



So, as I always say, go big - just stay safe.
I agree. It is all subjective. 25 knots used to be a big deal, but now it is no big deal, my boat really loves 25 knots.

For most of the year up the reef the trades blow at 25kts SE daily so have been offshore for days in these conditions several times and actually on a reach it is perfect cruising conditions.

Beating into it with a steep sea.....well that is umm less pleasant.

Like I said it is subjective...if you spoke to a New Zealand sailor 25 knots is a dead calm and 45 knots is considered a good day sailing.
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I like the idea of getting out in conditions that make one uncomfortable and push the boundary to practice seamanship. 25 knots is going to happen eventually while you are out so good to experience it on your terms.
Great time to practice sail handling, maneuvering, etc.

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Chall and eng - Bingo. As you could see in our last offshore video, we had relatively steep 8'-12' seas in 25 knots - due to a bigger blow further out. That's a completely different animal than the super tame conditions you see in the video above. On that day, the wind had just started to build after a heavy fog - and it was coming straight off the land. So flat calm.

That was what was great about lake sailing - when I used to do that. You could get 30-40 knots of wind and only ever deal with 3' waves at the most (at least on our lake). I much prefer ocean sailing, of course, but you learn A LOT with inland sailing about how your boat handles BEFORE you throw in the issues of big seas. And I think that's really valuable.

The bottom line is that most young sailors fear bigger winds - and many overly-conservative long-time sailors categorically advise away from them. However, there's a very rich middle ground to get out and test your boat and yourself. You just have to pick the place and time - and you'll be just fine. And will become a much better sailor for it.


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