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strike the head sail, Reef her main down or go to bare poles. Take your anchor rode and make a bridle at mid point and connect the anchor at the mid point. take both bitter ends to the cockpit winches and make fast. launch anchor over the stern. depending on which winch you tighten up on you can steer the boat with the drag the anchor makes to one side or the other. this will give you time to work on that rudder.
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strike the head sail, Reef her main down or go to bare poles. Take your anchor rode and make a bridle at mid point and connect the anchor at the mid point. take both bitter ends to the cockpit winches and make fast. launch anchor over the stern. depending on which winch you tighten up on you can steer the boat with the drag the anchor makes to one side or the other. this will give you time to work on that rudder.
Wow. Now that's cool bubb!
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Wow. Now that's cool bubb!
What, I get no props?
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Wow. Now that's cool bubb!
Now your learning from experience that our friend Ronnie didn't have.
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Cool - thanks again Dog. Hey, man, you ain't so bad! I mean if you're willing to help me out - you must have some heart.
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Tlller. Stock shears at the collar. Stock is still there but too far down in the tube to "grab" onto. Screwed?

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And for the bonus round, let's throw in one more complication: At the very moment of shear, you're just at the mouth of the marina where you are picking up two topless Norwegian ladies who want to film a documentary of your voyage. They're watching closely to see what happens. What do you do now?
Depends on the boat. On my boat, I could probably rig a line to the rudder to allow me to steer it... That is the case with many boats with a transom mounted rudder. Drill a small hole in the aft edge of the rudder blade and attach two lines to it. Steer by using the lines to turn the rudder.

Also, on my boat, the tiller isn't attached to the rudder stock or quadrant... it's connected via a set of mechanical linkages...so even if the tiller head snaps off, I could probably jury rig something directly to the quadrant in the rudder trunk compartment and run the lines up to the cockpit via one of the cockpit lockers.

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...this actually was part of Ken Barnes's problem, is that if the wheel is damaged/bent, it can often prevent you from being able to turn the rudder. In a case like that, you'd have to disconnect the wheel steering before you could use the emergency tiller.

Not totally accurate. You COULD disconect the wheel steering, or you could remove the wheel, or you could cut the bent section of the wheel off. (You do carry a hacksaw and/or bolt cutters right?) Ken Barnes problem wasn't mechanical, it was that he was stupid.
Yes, he could have removed the wheel or cut the bent section of wheel off... but this is Ken Barnes we are talking about...

BTW, don't carry bolt cutters on my boat, but don't have a wheel either.
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Props to my friend!!!!! Great minds think alike.
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Dude, you're slinging a bucket and plywood around - and sawing the furniture in half. What would the neighbors think?

Just kidding. Honestly, this kind of thing is what I'd probably resort to. I just wondered about the "technically correct" way of doing it.
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Dog - that's funny. I was actually wondering about the line through the aft edge of the rudder thing. I like that. Makes a lot of sense.

Now none of these options sound pleasant in screaming conditions - but I suppose you steer with sail until things calm down enough where you can start throwing the tools around.

So - for passage prep, seems like having 3 or so solid back up options for steering is what you're shooting for?
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One more point to all of this is if you are in big waves and big wind, you need to get steerage back on the boat ASAP. If I lost the rudder, for any reason, and could not see a fix quickly. I would move to plan B and get warps out over the stern to get bow pointed to windward or to start running with the wind. You don't have time to screw with things before you get broached or worst.

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Oh boy, here we go again.
What again???? Please don't tell me I need to read that whole BFS Proponent.... thing!

Dog- Love the idea of drilling a hole in the trailing edge of rudder and attaching two lines. Would probably work on a lot of boats even without the rudder being transom mounted.
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