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Hello Sailnetters,

Well the boat arrived at my shop today. I spent the afternoon trying to clean the interior and after several hours and a sore back I arrived at the conclusion that sailing may not be my bag. Not to mention this boat is in worse shape than I thought. In case some of you didn't catch my introduction post, I inherited a 27' Catalina a few months ago. It had been on the hard for 8 years. My Uncle had been in bad health for several years and the vessel seems to have suffered worse than he. After further inspection I found that quite a few things are missing. I did find the sails, however they were stored where the engine is supposed to be. I'm already in a $1000 cash with back storage and getting it hauled over here and frankly all I see is thousands and thousands of dollars worth of hard work ahead. Fact is, I'm kinda lazy and quite poor compared to some of you.

Second Thoughts? I'm having quite a few. The dream of sipping a cocktail in the cockpit during a breathtaking sunset somewhere in the Bahamas looks pretty far out of reach.
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If you are already in it for a grand you need a handy friend who wants to sail with you. Take your time & look for off season bargains on parts. You will be surprised how rewarding it to work on your own boat. It is normal to get buyer’s remorse. Imagine all the babes’ who will want to sail on your yacht! Good Luck...
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donate to charity and take a tax deduction. Otherwise, spend a few hundred and get a proper marine survey done. Then you'll know what you're truly looking at for repairs. Just remember: the upgrades never cease!!!
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Hello Sailnetters,

Well the boat arrived at my shop today. I spent the afternoon trying to clean the interior and after several hours and a sore back I arrived at the conclusion that sailing may not be my bag. Not to mention this boat is in worse shape than I thought. In case some of you didn't catch my introduction post, I inherited a 27' Catalina a few months ago. It had been on the hard for 8 years. My Uncle had been in bad health for several years and the vessel seems to have suffered worse than he. After further inspection I found that quite a few things are missing. I did find the sails, however they were stored where the engine is supposed to be. I'm already in a $1000 cash with back storage and getting it hauled over here and frankly all I see is thousands and thousands of dollars worth of hard work ahead. Fact is, I'm kinda lazy and quite poor compared to some of you.
Second Thoughts? I'm having quite a few. The dream of sipping a cocktail in the cockpit during a breathtaking sunset somewhere in the Bahamas looks pretty far out of reach.

I dont know about that Mate..Unless that Airplane your leaning against is bleeding you..

Its easy to get overwhelmed if you dont know what your looking at..But if your truly getting a gut check listen to it.

It would help if you posted a few pictures of the old girl for us to gander at and give some better opinions... for what their worth , pictures cant tell the whole story but its a start.
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I think many of us have felt the same way. The truth is, every older boat presents challenges. Some are worth the effort, others not. Find someone who can help you answer this question first. If the hull and deck are sound, no structural issues, go to work. As the process moves forward, you'll develop a sense of pride and confidence that will make her yours. There are many Cat 27s out there so you can find help, parts, ideas. I'm in year three of my rebuild and have wanted to sink her more times than I can tell you but then I'll have that moment of joy and pride and all is forgiven.

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I don't know. I tend to be the optimistic and encouraging sort; but in this case I think you already know the answer to your question, and you're just looking for validation.

It's not that you asked the question, because we see this question frequently; but it's the "feel" of how you asked the question.

I think the answer to your question is wrapped up in your reaction to nighteowle's response. If you're willing to throw a couple hundred at finding out what it's really gonna take; then the answer is probably yes, keep the boat because you have a true interest.

If you even think that spending the money on a survey is "throwing good money after bad", then you should cut your losses right now.

At this stage it's less about what you have invested in $; than what you have invested personally/emotionally. If you let it get to the point that your decision is based only on what yo have already invested in $$, then you're paving the road to your own personal boat-hell.

I don't know if I'm being as clear as I wanted to; but I hope I'm making myself understood.

Best of luck whichever way you go ........
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Take your time, I know it all seems overwhelming at this point. But if you stick with it, it will be very rewarding in the end.

Lots of work lies ahead and your going to have to invest some money and a lot of time into it, but when all is said and done, one day, you will be sailing.

On the other hand, there are lots of boats out there probably in better condition that you could be sailing right now. They will cost you more up front, but not as much time will be needed to be on the water.

Tough choice.
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Sorry to be blunt.

If you got to the point of even writing this post, you are not cut for sailing.

Donate or sell the boat, then go do your thing, whatever that maybe...painting, hunting, dancing, macrame....

In my country we have a saying:

"God gives acorns to pigs with no teeth"...

You obviously don't know what goes in the mind and soul of someone that really loves sailing and can't have a boat...you just can't imagine what the poor souls that deserve a boat, but can't have one, may think when they read your whining...

Man up, clean refurbish and go sailing and prove me wrong by posting a photo of you sailing, then I'll eat my words....or get rid of it and go do whatever...

Sorry for being blunt, but you deserve it.
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dayum, a cat27.. Smack, didcha see that?

ok, engine... any idea what was in it? You should be able to tell by whats "left", fuel tank, etc. Probably an "Atomic-4 gas flathead" available used or rebuildable for less than 2000.00

Is the prop and shaft still there?

i remember a boat boneyard up there in Alabama somewhere, they bought a lot of the Katrina boats, you may be able to find some pieces-parts there.

Cleaning...
invest in a long handled nylon floor brush about 6 to 8" wide. Wander in to your local dollar general and buy some clabber girl scouring powder. lots of it.
Hand the powder to a kid prone to fits, or a chick with MS. (the neuromuscular tremors help distribute the powder)
Wet the deck, strew the stuff all over, and scrub away. About 4 hours of time. For the first layer of crud. It'll cost ya 3.00 for the scrubbing stuff, 4.00 for the brush, 20.00 for the kid, and dinner for the chick.
Inside? throw the cushions outside, put a... oh, 10%... phhhft, live on the edge, 1/2 and 1/2 solution of bleach and water in a bucket, and go nuts with the brush. It ain't that hard. (it'll really put your jeans in a pickle though)
This comes from a Lazy, Broke, AND crippled former Cat27 owner.
(oh yeah, get a survey first)
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I know the Cat 27 well.
What exactly do you have?
A 20 year old Cat 27 in ready to go condition with everything you need can be purchased for about $15,000.
You got a (almost) free boat so the question is what exactly do you have.
Is the hull and deck sound? I'll give you a simple list. The numbers next to the items are what we paid or researched for a friends boat that is for sale.
Do you have standing rigging, mast,
Boom (500) Real
Engine (12,000 diesel, 3,000 outboard) (Guesses)
shaft and cutlass (2,000) Real
Roller furling
Running Rigging ($400 replaced ourself)
Chart Plotter (600)
Steering idler wheels ($500) (guess)
Grounding causing some damage (6,000) Insurance

A sail boat is composed of lots and lots of parts. Many if not most are required for safety or comfort. If you get a free boat and have to replace too many pieces it can cost more than a boat purchased in good condition.

If you love restoring something with sentimental value the rules are different.
By the way where are you going to slip your boat? How much will that cost.

Washing it down and getting it clean is the least of your worries. The real issue is what exactly do you own and what has to be done to it to make it usable.
PS: You need fenders, dock line, Life Jackets, horn, anchor, rode charts etc.
If your boat is in perfect structural condition but just soft stuff is rotted due to sitting on the hard you could spend easy $1,000 for just misc items and 2-3 thousand for cushions.

If you are a scrounger and do-it yourself you can get stuff cheap but that takes time and interest.

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