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They'd have to be happy owners to begin with, which says something.

If I was a tartan owner, I would want to brunt the damage to the value of my boat by posting my good experiences.

I doubt the manufacturer would solicit this stuff but I could see the dealer putting out the word, they have a more personal relationship with the owners.
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They'd have to be happy owners to begin with, which says something.

If I was a tartan owner, I would want to brunt the damage to the value of my boat by posting my good experiences.

I doubt the manufacturer would solicit this stuff but I could see the dealer putting out the word, they have a more personal relationship with the owners.
Not to mention an interest in continuing to sell new boats.
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Hey lets face it...probably 95 out of 100 Tartan/C&C owners are happy owners without problems. Why shouldn't they speak out just like the MacGregor owners do etc. ??
I've got no problem with them talking about how happy they are.

It is the ones who try to defend the data that we have turned up about unhappy owners and unhappy vendors and warranty and unpaid bills lawsuits and unpaid court judgments that I get suspicious of. (And of course the ones from certain suburbs in Ohio!)
It is sufficient in my opinion that potential new and used Tartan buyers understand that there may be significant issues that you don't find in the brochures and are thus able to take measures to protect their deposits, investment and personal safety.
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Hey lets face it...probably 95 out of 100 Tartan/C&C owners are happy owners without problems. Why shouldn't they speak out just like the MacGregor owners do etc. ??
I've got no problem with them talking about how happy they are.

It is the ones who try to defend the data that we have turned up about unhappy owners and unhappy vendors and warranty and unpaid bills lawsuits and unpaid court judgments that I get suspicious of. (And of course the ones from certain suburbs in Ohio!)
It is sufficient in my opinion that potential new and used Tartan buyers understand that there may be significant issues that you don't find in the brochures and are thus able to take measures to protect their deposits, investment and personal safety.
How many people actually check Sailnet before making a purchasing decision?? Nah. It is just like every other boat show I have ever been to:

1) They know of Tartan.

2) They are walking the show and moderately interested in buying a boat.

3) They walk on board. They like it better than the others.

4) A good salesman "sales" them.

5) They sign the contract.

6) They get financing.

7) They own the boat.

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8) THEY READ SAILNET AND GO CLEAN THEMSELVES UP!

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I guess it may still work that way in some cases CD...but if I were gonna drop a 1/4 mill or multiples of that on a boat today, I'd be heading to the internet to see what others thought of it and what to look out for....just like the posts we see here all the time.
Now Boat US is reporting stuff....a google search can do the rest. Wish the other industry magazines were more independent and did some actual reporting, but hey...we certainly have broken the cone of silence for those buyers who do their homework.
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Hey lets face it...probably 95 out of 100 Tartan/C&C owners are happy owners without problems. Why shouldn't they speak out just like the MacGregor owners do etc. ??
Cam, That is very ugly speech!!!! You should not be insulting MacGregor's like that. Comparing them to Tartans, Have you no shame!!!!!
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The guy that owns the Tartan in the berth next to mine has just returned after an absence of several weeks.. now with more knowledge I asked him a bit more about his boat.
It is 12 months old/new and a 3400. He says he has no knowledge of the issues and thought the Tartan had bought out Novis..... I did not ask further as he is a good pen neighbour and I don't wish to bring about ill feeling.

I did hear (2nd hand) from our local rigger that he (the owner) had to have some of his safety wire replaced as it pulled clean out of the swaging when someone leaned against it.

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