Question for Giulietta - and may be others - SailNet Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 17 Old 11-19-2008 Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 18
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Question for Giulietta - and may be others

Hi Alex,

cannot help but notice that your beatiful boat has a set of lazy jacks and a stack-pack-like deivice... I am thinking about one, but keep hearing that batens are often catching on the lazy jacks lines, so hoisting main is a hassle in any kind of breeze. What's your experience, and, more importantly, what's your Admiral's experience with the setup?

Thanks in advance,
Stan
ref_123 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 17 Old 11-19-2008
.
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 10,851
Thanks: 0
Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 13
         
It does indeed catch up in the lines, if you let it...but you can get by by having the boat pointing nicely into the wind, and coordinating the pull on the halyard with the time the battens stay in the middle..almost like a coreographed gest...I am so used to it, I never snag.

It's not big of a deal, you get used to it, and to be honest the problem it causes is way offset by the ease it provides..

I do it on my own alone, with no problems whatsoever, I say go for it, really...it's just a little annoyance that you must remember but can learnm to cope with..

Both my wife and my son hoist the main without any problem, one watches, the other one pulls...for my wife, the "other" system is much more complicated..the sail doesn't flake that good, its like plastic as she says, it lies on the boom, and I keep removing it...ehehehe

The lazt bag and cruisng sail is a warm welcome for her

Alex

Last edited by Giulietta; 11-19-2008 at 09:25 PM.
Giulietta is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #3 of 17 Old 11-19-2008
.
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 10,851
Thanks: 0
Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 13
         
forgot to tell you..the solution for NO snag, is to have the line that hangs the other lines as high as possible, this way, the lower loops are out of the way of the battens, and the top one is so near the mast, the batten passes thru it easily.
And the lower ones as low as possible.

I see a lot of production boats with the lazy bag lines so badly rigged I find it hard to understand what goes in their minds..
Giulietta is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #4 of 17 Old 11-19-2008 Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 18
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Thanks!

Great info! Thanks Alex.
ref_123 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #5 of 17 Old 11-19-2008
Abysmally Stupid
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: MRE
Posts: 395
Thanks: 3
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Alex,

Question: Have you got Harken Batt cars or similar installed?

I also have lazy's - it is all about the timing on my boat, when the battens are centered - pull fast.

/J
jorgenl is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #6 of 17 Old 11-19-2008
.
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 10,851
Thanks: 0
Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 13
         
Quote:
Originally Posted by jorgenl View Post
Alex,

Question: Have you got Harken Batt cars or similar installed?

I also have lazy's - it is all about the timing on my boat, when the battens are centered - pull fast.

/J
Jorge, no..

All I have is simple teflon slides...I like my main sails as close and tight to the mast as possible, to increase sail efficiency.

My slides are pretty good and fast...the slides you talk about are often seen on cruisers and such.
Giulietta is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #7 of 17 Old 11-19-2008
Abysmally Stupid
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: MRE
Posts: 395
Thanks: 3
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
OK,

makes sense.

I did not realize that the Harkens would reduce sail area that much.

Edited: maybe not sail area- is it the gap between the mast and the sail that matters? Air flow?

To a rookie they seem to be a nice thing on a big main sail.

Sorry for the minor hi-jack.
jorgenl is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #8 of 17 Old 11-19-2008
.
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 10,851
Thanks: 0
Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 13
         
Quote:
Originally Posted by jorgenl View Post
OK,

makes sense.

I did not realize that the Harkens would reduce sail area that much.

Edited: maybe not sail area- is it the gap between the mast and the sail that matters? Air flow?

To a rookie they seem to be a nice thing on a big main sail.

Sorry for the minor hi-jack.
No problem..Hyjack at will.I think the OP had his question answered...

In a way it does reduce sail area, but it's minimal...you are right..airflow disturbance and weird mast effects on the wind spilling rear of the mast..

I want my sails as close and tight as possible..see..I really do worry about these little things..but you add "little things" here and there, then you can sail at 12 knots...

Giulietta is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #9 of 17 Old 11-19-2008
Abysmally Stupid
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: MRE
Posts: 395
Thanks: 3
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
I'd have to add a lot of little things to sail at 12 knots - such as 15 feet of water line or 1 (maybe 2?) extra hulls;

Thanks for the explanation, I am a wannabe racer and this stuff helps gives me a better understanding.

BTW - do you ever sleep or are you on our side of the water?

Last edited by jorgenl; 11-19-2008 at 10:10 PM.
jorgenl is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #10 of 17 Old 11-19-2008
.
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 10,851
Thanks: 0
Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 13
         
on your side of the water, 6000 plus miles south of New York...almost near the Horn...as we speak
Giulietta is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome