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in your bias dreams maybe .. slap some marine plywood around and build a boat in the swamp in Florida don't make this dinosaurs a Best production boat is it? Catalina is past and lived out his life expectancy by large ..
"period" did you looked your hull to deck joint lately ?
your 36 MK-II was decent boat and you stop build them ...how stupid is that ? but look at that "gorgeous" 44 Morgan look like a RV and sail like that to .. best boats? you are funny !

(I know you know better .) ..of course , but I could not let that go by..Period..
Agreed - to a point. I loved the 36. I cannot understand why they would kill it. And then came out with the 350???

As for the Morgan 440 - you can see I own one, don't you?

I have a real affinity for the older Catalinas. Some of the models still have not changed. I said this in another thread not long back. But the 400 and the 42 are still really built well (and the same). They have taken some of the others and really scimped down on the cabinetry and tried to save too many bucks to stay competitive with the other production builders. I would rather they just made themselves a bit more expensive and focused on their products. A good case in point is the 387 versus sthe 380. The 380 was a MUCH better boat (in my opinion, of course). I lived on and cruised on one with the fam. Very solid and a good liveabaord.

But Bene and Hunter have done EXACTLY the same thing - and worse in my opinion. THe hardware and cabinety of the new benes is poor. As for the Hunters? TOo new to tell for sure.

THe only models that I am aware of that Catalina has not really changed are the 400s, 42, 32, and 470. I am not blown away by ANY of the others.

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as for the Ob52 i would hope there is supposed to be a great over that hole ((canyon) probably there to get the residuals out(water)(right?))
No. No grate over the stepped-down cockpit sole. It is essentially the first step down the companionway, but it is in the cockpit rather than in the cabin. Very peculiar.
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P.S. You can see what I mean about the cockpit on this video. They go up to the cockpit at around 4:45:

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P.S. You can see what I mean about the cockpit on this video. They go up to the cockpit at around 4:45:

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Wow! That looks really dangerous. If I had a pit like that, the first thing I would do would be to build a grate over it, otherwise there will be a lot of injuries from falls.
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Thumbs down Catalina best production boat "period"

Hunter and Beneteau far exceed Catalina as a production boat , if you ignore the snobs Hunter is great cruising boat for the money and that Glenn Henderson hulls are really well performing and the technology is 2008 not 1977 like Catalina standing still
Beneteau "simplificated" Nauta interior is matter of taste but the building technology and performance is far superior to any Catalina now and ever will be .. Catalina like F Butler ...old and stubborn, take a look they can't give them away ... (new one's ) ..
that 440 is a morphodite ... so don't be offended by the fact they are no one's list ..
just please don't write "best production boat ..period ..for a simple reason ..no one will believe you .. not even Ray Charles would !
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Wow! That looks really dangerous. If I had a pit like that, the first thing I would do would be to build a grate over it, otherwise there will be a lot of injuries from falls.
You said it!! I nearly fell in that "pit" at the boat show. I think it would take a long time to acclimate to this feature. Owners might eventually get used to it, but not likely guests.
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Ahhh

Boat ratings by Sail magazine....that magazine is not even good to wipe the hindend (the paper scratches the sphincter)....Sail is to Sailboats what Kentucky Fried Chicken is to chickens...

they can't even sail...they seat at their laptops and read what we writte here, then go back and publish 2 months later...

They rate boats by who pays more ad pages...
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Well Giu...I alluded to that in my opening post. Still...it is interesting to read about each boat...the little "Bug" is a pretty neat idea for kids eh? It was interesting to me that NO boat under 50ft. was picked this year. If it was ONLY to reward advertisers...I would think we would not see that...never happened before. Maybe they didn't want to tick off all their big production boat advertisers by picking just one!
I guess Cruising World will be out with their picks soon as well.
Anyway...I agree that one should never take these picks too seriously...but it is a good series as it does introduce us to the innovations in the marketplace each year.
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Cam, in europe we have a boat that I believe may have served as inspration to that, it's called the BIC. And it is a little more "racy"

see it here..

Fred sailed one for 2 days last summer, said it didn't sail that great.

I think that BUG may be better suited for learning kids..the Bic is harder for them
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Agreed - to a point. I loved the 36. I cannot understand why they would kill it. And then came out with the 350???

As for the Morgan 440 - you can see I own one, don't you?

I have a real affinity for the older Catalinas. Some of the models still have not changed. I said this in another thread not long back. But the 400 and the 42 are still really built well (and the same). They have taken some of the others and really scimped down on the cabinetry and tried to save too many bucks to stay competitive with the other production builders. I would rather they just made themselves a bit more expensive and focused on their products. A good case in point is the 387 versus sthe 380. The 380 was a MUCH better boat (in my opinion, of course). I lived on and cruised on one with the fam. Very solid and a good liveabaord.

But Bene and Hunter have done EXACTLY the same thing - and worse in my opinion. THe hardware and cabinety of the new benes is poor. As for the Hunters? TOo new to tell for sure.

THe only models that I am aware of that Catalina has not really changed are the 400s, 42, 32, and 470. I am not blown away by ANY of the others.

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Let me get this straight. You owned the boat in the first picture and you still bought the boat in the second picture?

I'm sure I don't have to point this out to you but, have you noticed that their stern treatments are rather similar? Both sterns look remarkably like the front end of a grocery store shopping cart. Perhaps the designer's day job at the Kroger influenced his design work, in study hall.

Sail magazine. Catalina. It's as if they were made for each other. They go together like salt and pepper, eggs and bacon, syphilis and dementia....
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