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Actually, if you had a tiny bit of a clue, you'd realize most of us are really not bashing Catalinas, but making fun of our friend and respected moderator, Cruisingdad, who is a Catalina fanatic and Technical Editor for the Catalina 400.

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I'm guessing none of you Catalina-bashers were in Port Aransas to see a Catalina win the Harvest Moon Regatta. Y'all really need to get over it.
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Thanks for the update Mike. I will disagree with you that Hunter quality improved from 1998 on. I have seen enough of their new boats in that period to know that while designs may have changed...they were still building to that 1990's standard until recently...if I had to guess, I'd say that around 2004-2005 they really began to address some of the quality issues and I think it will be a few more years yet before we can truly say that the newer boats have stood up well to hard use...though your own testimony about the factory and some of the testing they are now undergoing bodes well for a change in opinion by many. The good news is that no matter what quality they built to over the years...they always remembered to take care of their customers and so have a very loyal base.
So...we can agree that Henderson and his team have made a difference while disagreeing a bit on how far back that difference goes.
Henderson joined Hunter in 1998. No one can expect him to instantly pop-out a bunch of new designs, have the existing corporate structure immediately adopt them, re-tool on the spot and begin producing new and improved boats the next day. As with change in any large and complex manufacturing process, things are done one step at a time. Initially, the new designer's task would likely have been to convince the corporate hierarchy to adopt his first new design.

From what I can find out, Henderson's first 'from-the-ground-up" boat was the 356, introduced in 2002. Over 500 of these were built, and I will assume this made Hunter happy, and willing to give him more room. So the change you note as dating to 2004-05, fits well this scenario.

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That said...what the hell were they thinking with the new 50!!
I have no idea! It's certainly not my cup of tea, but I don't like centre cockpits, anyway. To me it seems a good example of a marketing team getting in the way of a design team. I'm sure that marketing knows more of its potential market than we do.

The 50 uses the 49 hull, which at 49'-11" can easily be called 50'. From the companionway forward, the interior has very few changes from the 49, so rework the after part of the interior, make a new deck mould and voila!
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I'm guessing none of you Catalina-bashers were in Port Aransas to see a Catalina win the Harvest Moon Regatta. Y'all really need to get over it.

You left the "k" out of Arkansas!
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I like the Outbound a lot from what I've seen bt it won't be in my budget anytime soon!
Who are you kidding? You had an awesome boat and decided to sell it to become trailer trash. I don't think budget has anything to do with it.
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Actually, if you had a tiny bit of a clue,
Wow, yikes. I may not have clue, but I have manners.
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Hysterical. I'm still laughing.
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Wow, yikes. I may not have clue, but I have manners.
Don't take it personally Finger. Dawg just skips some of the formalities like, "while I respect your opinion and your right to express it without fear of retribution, I believe there may be another vantage point from which you might consider viewing the issue." That's what he's thinking, but it just comes out "hey jackass, . . ."

Welcome aboard, and all kidding aside, this is a very civil board. If you read a post that seems harsh, there is a better than even chance that someone is just teasing someone else. Like when CD wrote that Catalinas can make way under sail. He was just kidding about that.
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I have no idea! It's certainly not my cup of tea, but I don't like centre cockpits, anyway. To me it seems a good example of a marketing team getting in the way of a design team. I'm sure that marketing knows more of its potential market than we do.

The 50 uses the 49 hull, which at 49'-11" can easily be called 50'. From the companionway forward, the interior has very few changes from the 49, so rework the after part of the interior, make a new deck mould and voila!
It was the jacuzzi tub underneath the aft queen that really did it for me!!
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It was the jacuzzi tub underneath the aft queen that really did it for me!!
It probably makes great storage.
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