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I'd love to see the video, but when I CLICK HERE NOW I get some wierd Portuguese werewolf site. What gives?

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in a MOB situation, (in cold waters), I am sorry to tell you, but my first priority is to start the engine,

my steps are

heave to to stop the boat and maintain eye on MOB
start the engine
roll genoa while steering to MOB
depending on seas and wind, main stays on or comes down..and if it stays its either sheeted in or fully lose..depends on conditions..

on my boat, to start the engine, roll the genoa, lower main and motor with engine to recover..all takes me about 30 seconds or less, so in a life death situation..I'd gett all sails off and motor..
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Chop chop chop chop.

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Chop chop chop chop.

*Water turns red*

You must have skipped over the part where he said." maintain eye on MOB"
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It's interesting - after reading through those 100+ Lifesling case studies that JRP put up, starting the engine seems to be a bad idea in most cases if you can get back to the COB by sail.

In any case, it seems like it's pretty critical to do a check for any lines in the water prior to starting the engine and should be part of the procedure list.

Have you guys seen those freakin' case studies?

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Wait a minute! You heave to with the symetrical spinnaker poled up? And you say the procedure is the same as with the jib? Wow! I'm looking forward to a sailing day with some 5 or 6 kt wind to try it...
Honestly, in downwind conditions when you're most likely have someone go swimming, it isn't going to be blowing 4-5 kts. If it's light, almost anything will work, but at 20kts+ true (this is when a good hard round up or down is going to drop someone over the side) I'm pretty sure you'd loose your kite, possible bend or break the pole, and end up with an unholy mess that could really jeopardize the rig well before you got back the the MOB.
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I saw the result of a cat doing this. His mast step cracked and the mast jumped 2' across the deck - very close to going throug. He let go the traveller and main sheet, rounded up and saved the mast.

He was sitting awaiting a new welded mast step, sitting in paradise, enjoying the serenety. We moved on. I sometimes wonder how he got on.


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Honestly, in downwind conditions when you're most likely have someone go swimming, it isn't going to be blowing 4-5 kts. If it's light, almost anything will work, but at 20kts+ true (this is when a good hard round up or down is going to drop someone over the side) I'm pretty sure you'd loose your kite, possible bend or break the pole, and end up with an unholy mess that could really jeopardize the rig well before you got back the the MOB.
Sorry, how do you figure that? If your boat has rounded up anyway, that's a great time to douse sails and get back to th MOB. If your boat rounds up and that threatens to bring your rig down then you're WAAAAY over-canvassed.

There used to be (and God forbid, maybe still is)an international practise of sailing off on a reach and counting the seconds while the boat is being prepared to turn around and then when everyone is nice and comfy, sailing back to the MOB, hoping to hell that your reciprocal course is accurate and that you don't have to put in a tack and then miraculously you'll find the MOB where you thought he'd be.

If that is the process that is being used on a boat then the helmsman/skipper needs to include the description in his safety briefing. I for one will get off the boat right there.

I often disagreed with Giulietta but on this he's bang-on. I fully endorse the process of rounding my boat up if there is a person in the water. I go directly head to wind, drop the main, furl the headsail, start the engine and get back to the MOB ASAP.

If the helmsman thinks there is a risk of running over the MOB to a point where he's going to put him amongst propeller blades then MOB practise should begin with driving lessons, not sail management.


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If the helmsman thinks there is a risk of running over the MOB to a point where he's going to put him amongst propeller blades then MOB practise should begin with driving lessons, not sail management.
Well put Andre.

You'd have to figure that hitting the poor bugger with 10tonnes or so of yacht has probably done for him before the prop even gets a share of the action.

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ditto above.
UNless he has dived off the bow, turn on to him - turn way and 1. you could mince him, 2. you will lose windage and have to fight to get it back.
The theory has to let the yacht be to weather of the victim. owever,if the poor sucker is to weather of you, he should drift onto you and you can collect him and drag about the stern to the lee side. All in theory - I've only collected hats and milk bottles (MOB)in practice

I refer to the victims as 'him' as girls are too smart - check any stats - more fellows go over the side than females - they have a better sense of survival or males do the stupid/dangerous stuff!!


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