$$ and Spending Sailnet?

[bubb2]

Originally Posted by T34C

Yes, but that is $260 from one customer. How many subscribers does Sailnet have? No way all think the way he does, but if even a fraction agree it could represent significant $$$'s in total.

T34C, I respect what you have said and I am sure Sailnet thought about this very Issue. I would feel the best indicator is this thread itself. From what I see the support is overwhelmingly running in Sailnet's favor.

[MeCaptainBinky]

If you’re used to the ways of the business world, you know: a cut-throut, in your face, I'll run the son-a-gun into the ground power-trip kind-of-a-world... this type of thing would not faze you - it's normal. But if you’re a decent, hardworking soul with honorable intentions then yes, I can see your point and I truly respect it.

Lawers, yyes - the Devils Advocate...

Keep your mast under the radar and things will go better. Passion is, a grand thing.... But also remember if your 21 and you're not a democrat you have no spirit, and if your 50 and not a republican you have no brains.

~The spirit of a boy and the wisdom of a man~

Might need to change my logon again...

[scottbr]

Originally Posted by T34C

I gotta ask a question here. Why is it OK for Sailnet to "protect their assets" by caving into a request/threat from Tartan, but not OK for the OP to protect his assets by spending them with other companies that are more to his way of thinking? I have to agree in part with the OP. I have a hard time continuing to pump money into an enterprise that so easily rolls over and plays dead anytime another company makes any kind of threat. Yes Tartan was bullying Sailnet into yanking that thread. And yes, Sailnet caved at the first hint of a law suit despite the fact they had (as far as I know) not been served any papers and were in the right to leave the posts as they were. Near as I can tell they deserve about aas much support for their valor as the French do for defending against Germany invasions. (And the French at least made a show of having a defense!)

My point was, Sailnet made a business decision. From what I understand, they pulled the thread to prevent possibly losing all of Sailnet and possibly more. As I said to the OP, if you feel that strongly about what they did, put YOUR house on the line and then pass judgement on their decision.

[davidpm]

I don't know anything about sailnet management and I am sure they are nice people and great sailors. I have no problem supporting them with purchases etc. with or without the tartan thread.
That being said the following are some pieces of information that may not be known by all.

1. I have asked moderators for copies of the the offending threads because I have several venues where they can be posted. I have not received those threads.
2. The cost of hosting sailnet.com forum is not that much. In fact if Sailnet.com decides they don't want to do it they can zip up the whole thing and I'll host it. They can keep the for profit store part and redirect to my servers for the free forum part, problem solved. My company has enough spare bandwidth and web guys to handle it.
3. I'm sure that there are several other sailnet members with computer resources at their disposal that can and would do the same.

I don't really even have a point except that its the people, especially the regulars, that make this forum valuable and they can go anywhere they want.
If we want to start our own forum all we have to do is do it. It is easier to stay with Sailnet however. No matter who is running it decisions will be made that will tick off some people.
It is natural however to react if we believe we are being treated unfairly.
The Associated Press: Studies show dogs have sense of fairness

[T34C]

Originally Posted by scottbr

My point was, Sailnet made a business decision. From what I understand, they pulled the thread to prevent possibly losing all of Sailnet and possibly more. As I said to the OP, if you feel that strongly about what they did, put YOUR house on the line and then pass judgement on their decision.

I'm self employed. My house and everything I own is dependant on how I conduct my business every day. I have made both business and personal sacrifices because I insist on doing the right thing. My ethics and morals do not operate independently from my business dealings, they are the foundation of it. I personally choose to support others people and businesses that do like wise.

[Maine Sail]

Originally Posted by bubb2

So, they have loss $1,300 in your business. Let's say the Sailnet operates at a 20% after tax margin (probably less). So they are out $260 profit. What do you think it would cost them to defend a lawsuit? I bet you got them rethinking this whole issue. I will support Sailnet.

Actually margins with many mail order/internet businesses are closer to 11-17% GROSS not net.

So $221.00 in gross profit quickly turns into about $30.00 net profit after taxes, payroll, expenses, benefits etc. etc. and $30.00 is giving it some and being quite fair...

I highly doubt Sailnet will lose more than one or two customers over this Tartan issue. A net profit loss of $30.00, $60.00 even $500.00 is not going to break the bank but this economy could....

Again, I will be supporting both SailboatOwners.com and Sailnet in these tough times as kind gesture and payback for the excellent FREE service they provide for the sailing community!! This despite the fact that I have wholesale accounts with many of the big names in the marine business and could, in many cases, pay less. If we don't stand up and support these guys they will fail! The margins are very, very weak on this stuff and overhead is high!

[sailhog]

Originally Posted by T34C

I'm self employed. My house and everything I own is dependant on how I conduct my business every day. I have made both business and personal sacrifices because I insist on doing the right thing. My ethics and morals do not operate independently from my business dealings, they are the foundation of it. I personally choose to support others people and businesses that do like wise.

I bought a great big bag of pot laced with angel dust from T34C a while back. Feedback? Great product at a super price. Thanks, T34C! When my kids grow up, you'll be getting ALL of their pot laced with angel dust business!

[scottbr]

Originally Posted by T34C

I'm self employed. My house and everything I own is dependant on how I conduct my business every day. I have made both business and personal sacrifices because I insist on doing the right thing. My ethics and morals do not operate independently from my business dealings, they are the foundation of it. I personally choose to support others people and businesses that do like wise.

Essentially, I am also self-employed and everything I own is dependant on how I conduct myself. I can fully appreciate your work and personal ethics. However, I do not fully know all of the facts of Tartan vs. Sailnet and Sailnets' position and therefore will not judge their decisions sitting behind a keyboard.

[travler37]

Originally Posted by sailingdog

You might want to invest in a spell checker... almost every post you have made has serious spelling errors, and it does make your credibility drop quite a bit.

Hint: Lawyer has a "Y" in it...

Why does it make my "credibility" drop to you?
have i said or spelled something wrong that does not ring true to you sir?Have you not ben able to understand my posts?Or do they just not feel right and make you wonder where we as a nation and SAILNET are,or is it is? going?

Best of luck to you and yup,,,refuses to use theee speeellll cheaker thingy.
Mark

[T34C]

hog- That was not angle dust. Special for you I used Drain-O instead. I figured if anyone needed it, it was you.

scottbr- I appreciate your position. I'm not going to "judge" Sailnet either. I'm just going to use my money to support business that share, or at least try to come close to my ideal. If you wnat to look at it the way you mentioned above, none of us know all the facts about Tartan either, but many are happy to bash them (not the right word).