"Plan C" Boat

[JohnRPollard]

Okay, but who would purchase such a fine yacht as a Telstar Trimaran (I'm trying to be really generous here ) and not insure it!!

[sailingdog]

JRP—

BITE ME!!!!

The Telstar is a great boat, provided you realize what you're getting. It isn't going to have the fit and finish of a Moody, Swan or Morris... but the taxes on one of those would pay for Telstar... and the Telstar handles the heavy stuff just fine and is a lot of boat for the money.

[JohnRPollard]

Hehehehe.

Just kidding with the "yacht" comment, of course. I wouldn't want your boat if it had the fit and finish of a Moody or Swan -- that would defeat the purpose. The Telstar does very well what it's supposed to do -- at a reasonable price. Add more trim and weight and $$ and it would be less appealing.

But, would you forego insurance on your Telstar? That's a pretty high value for self insurance -- at least from my perspective. I probably wouldn't self-insure a boat worth more than $10-15K. But I haven't run the calculus either.

[WaterHouse]

Hobiecat Mirage Adventure Island

Only for the young at heart. Get 2 for 9k and throw them both in the back of the P/U for camping anywhere.

no insurance needed

Dan

[sailingdog]

JRP-

My boat is insured...

[sailortjk1]

Originally Posted by WaterHouse

Hobiecat Mirage Adventure Island

Does the hobie have 5'6" head room? Or an enclosed Head?

[sailingdog]

Tim-

Waterhouse obviously didn't bother reading the first post at all...

[mstern]

A Catalina 25 swing keel pop top boat fits all of your requirements, except maybe the "fast" one. Even so, its a fun boat to sail, there are a zillion of them out there so they can be had within your price range, and there is a very active owner's association. The Oday 25 mentioned previously is also a great boat; I like the keel centerboard set up better than the Catalina 25 swing keel (more simple, easier to maintain and control), but the Oday isn't a pop top and I don't think it has standing headroom.

If the enclosed head isn't that important, you can move down to the Catalina 22; even less expensive. The Oday 23 (my boat) is also in that same class, and if you are willing to deal with an early 70's vintage boat, can even find one with a pop top. It too has an enclosed head; it is in fact the only boat I have ever seen less than 25' with such a feature. It should be noted that the pop top on the 23 was of a different design than the Catalina, and it was noted for being a cranky, leaky situation. That's probably why Oday dropped the feature in the mid 70s.

[WaterHouse]

is where you learn the most important lessons in life.

People who learn how to play nice in the sandbox are usually more successful and happier than the nerds.

If you don't believe it, then research emotional intelligence, Sailing Dog.

They're going to want a moderator here. Do you think you're qualified?

I said MY plan C boat, and I met his price range.

[mrwuffles]

thats not the point to meat your plan c boat its to help a fellow member with finding a boat and he is definately qulified you shouldnt be coming in like you own the place telling people what to do

anyway I have a Catalina 22 and it has most of your requirements except the enclosed head, mstern idk if the swing keel on the 25 is the same as the 22 i assume it is, it isnt that hard to control actually a quite simple design except if you have to maintenance it looks like a pain to work on, I have mine set up with a roller furling so it is very simple to sail singlehanded, I can do it in almost any wiind we get easily. It also has a sliding galley with an alcohol stove which is nice and gets out of the way and turns into a bench when not in use, the one problem is if you have an older outboard that doesnt have an alternator you either have to get one that does or find other means of electricity we've been using a solar panel from west marine that worked perfectly to keep our battery topped off. On the head issue we had a porta potty so to enclose it just close the cabin and go outside =). Overall a good boat and easy to use and transport PM if you have any questions.