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Is a sailing license compulsory in your Country?

I want to take advantage of the internationalship of Sailnet.

In my country, you need to have a sailing license in order to skip a boat.

There are different levels of licenses:
- PNB is a very basic license. I don't know exactly what it allows you to.
- PEE: Allows you to sail boats up to 12 mts (40 ft) to a maximum of 12 milles away from the shore.
- PI: Allows you to sail boats up to 20 mts (60 ft) to a maximum of 60 milles away from the shore.
- CI: Allows you to sail any non professional boat in any seas.

In order to get these licenses you must pass several written exams and take some practical lessons on a boat. It sounds reasonable to an extent, but in reality it is almost useless because, at the end, what we sailors know, we know it because we realised that there were many things we needed to learn before adventuring in the seas. Obviously, I don't mean that anyone should go sailing without learning first. I just think that everyone has to procure his/her own sailing skills, adequate to the intended sailing, and that a compulsory license is of no help (at least, in my experience).

I am under the impression that very few countries regulations as strict as those and I would like to know to what extend my impression is accurated.

So I will appreciate your comments on how things are in your Country.

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Without taking paying passengers aboard, there is no such licensure requirements in the US that I am aware of.

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In order to get these licenses you must pass several written exams and take some practical lessons on a boat. It sounds reasonable to an extent, but in reality it is almost useless....
The State charges a fee for this, yes?? I'm sure that alone would make such a scheme VERY important to them!!

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Not in the USA... unless you're skippering a boat for money... then you do need a USCG ticket... Most states have little if any requirements for boaters, whether power or sail, beyond taking a very rudimentary boating safety course. However, recently, some states have instituted "boating licenses" of a sort... so it is slowly changing.
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Not in the USA... unless you're skippering a boat for money... then you do need a USCG ticket... Most states have little if any requirements for boaters, whether power or sail, beyond taking a very rudimentary boating safety course. However, recently, some states have instituted "boating licenses" of a sort... so it is slowly changing.
Yes, and even those very limited requirements are being phased in, i.e. they only apply if you were born after a certain date. So the vast majority of current boaters were "grandfathered", meaning exempted from the rules.

Harvester, I think the intent of those rules in your country is to improve safety at sea (or, cynically, to generate revenues for the government). But I tend to agree with you that they really only place a regulatory burden onto something that is already happening anyway, through the normal course of developing experience.

My favorite example of pointless government meddling was the state legislator (here in the U.S.) who was out motor boating and nearly hit a kayaker because she did not see him. She decided to introduce legislation that would require all kayakers to display a bright orang safety flag on a mast/pole from their kayaks. The legislation actually gained serious momentum, because after all better visibility was clearly in the best interest of the kayakers.

It took some effort for kayakers to get organized and educate the legislator that carrying a flag on a mast/pole would prevent them from recovering when they roll over. Which would cause them to drown.
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Never mind that there are already rules/laws for this situation... something about keeping a proper watch... which she violated. I'm pretty sure that the kayaker didn't pop up out of nowhere, since kayaks don't go that fast.... and it was, more than likely, the legislator's fault for being unaware of her surroundings. Stupid freaking bureaucrat with her head up her butt...
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Yes, and even those very limited requirements are being phased in, i.e. they only apply if you were born after a certain date. So the vast majority of current boaters were "grandfathered", meaning exempted from the rules.

Harvester, I think the intent of those rules in your country is to improve safety at sea (or, cynically, to generate revenues for the government). But I tend to agree with you that they really only place a regulatory burden onto something that is already happening anyway, through the normal course of developing experience.

My favorite example of pointless government meddling was the state legislator (here in the U.S.) who was out motor boating and nearly hit a kayaker because she did not see him. She decided to introduce legislation that would require all kayakers to display a bright orang safety flag on a mast/pole from their kayaks. The legislation actually gained serious momentum, because after all better visibility was clearly in the best interest of the kayakers.

It took some effort for kayakers to get organized and educate the legislator that carrying a flag on a mast/pole would prevent them from recovering when they roll over. Which would cause them to drown.
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Harvester, I think the intent of those rules in your country is to improve safety at sea (or, cynically, to generate revenues for the government).
Call me a cynic!!
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I'll only add that the no license rule is for boats under 65 foot in length. About 21 Mts. Beyond that you need a license.
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Washington state has a license requirement that is slowly being implemented for those that have pleasure craft with motors over 15HP, IIRC. I should lok this up, as it is going in how old you are, when required based on decade you were born in. If currently over about 70, you will be exempt for ever. Currently I believe that 20somethings and under need the license.

A pretty basic online question and answer, once you have it, you have it. There may also be a requirement that you take a basic class from CG, PS or equal to initially take the test too.

Guessing that other states at some point in time in US may very well take up this type of license. Reality is, the US is IMHO "WAY" behind Europe in what is required to to skip a boat.

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Of course, anything that can be done to ban PWC's is OK by me!!

Otherwise, "Don't Euro the US!!"
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