Out of deference to the Welshman we'll forgo an entertaining recap of the Canadian Navy's status as one of the maritime world's armadas. (g)
I had a feeling this would come up!
I tried to head it off, but: Nooooo!!!!
Biting my tongue til it bleeds....
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1979 Nash 26'
Southern Georgian Bay
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ~ Mark Twain
22 years in the worlds largest Navy, not once did we cruise the lower 40's on training missions.
I imagine some of those other countries, say Peru or such use the WWII surplus amphip ships we sold them to conduct training missions on a routine basis 2, 3,000 miles from base (Not a frigging chance).
They should have to post a bond, especially single handers which are patently sailing in violation of international maritime law (maintaining a proper, dedicated lookout at all times).
Didn't you have their entire navy sitting in your bathtub???
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Out of deference to the Welshman we'll forgo an entertaining recap of the Canadian Navy's status as one of the maritime world's armadas. (g)
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Sailingdog Telstar 28
New England
You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.
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22 years in the worlds largest Navy, not once did we cruise the lower 40's on training missions.
I imagine some of those other countries, say Peru or such use the WWII surplus amphip ships we sold them to conduct training missions on a routine basis 2, 3,000 miles from base (Not a frigging chance).
They should have to post a bond, especially single handers which are patently sailing in violation of international maritime law (maintaining a proper, dedicated lookout at all times).
I was speaking of the fleets that were in the area and had the SAR capabilities. Why would Peru mount a rescue? The race doesn't go anywhere near them?
Perhaps the competitors or the organizers should post a bond, or be financially responsible for rescue efforts. This, I think, might put too much of a financial burden on them and could lead to the demise of the race. I would not like to see that.
As to the point of 'maritime law', I can't think of any other sporting event in which laws or standards are not adhered to.
Oh, wait a sec: almost all of them: rules of the road in auto racing and cycling; laws regarding common assault (almost any team sport); laws regarding assault with a weapon (hockey) etc. etc. etc. It is the nature of these sporting events that participants can function outside of the laws. How great would NASCAR be if there were pedestrian crossings, traffic lights and school buses on the track? The Tour de France would be a blast if the cyclists had to stick to the cycling lanes and signal their turns. Not to mention no more hockey fights!
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1979 Nash 26'
Southern Georgian Bay
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ~ Mark Twain
I suspect the coast guard has more hardware than the navy up here
C'mon man! As a fellow Canuck I would hope you don't buy into this Imperialist claptrap!
I did some work on a few US ships a few years ago and spoke with some of the crewmembers who had worked with the Canadians. They were very impressed by the level of training, discipline and equipment that we had on our frigates. (Bearing in mind that the ship I was on was commissioned in 1976 and most of our frigates were commissioned in the '90's)
Our sailors also have the benefit of being able to drink alcohol aboard our vessels. I think this is the crux of the jealousy.
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1979 Nash 26'
Southern Georgian Bay
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ~ Mark Twain
I was speaking of the fleets that were in the area and had the SAR capabilities. Why would Peru mount a rescue? The race doesn't go anywhere near them?
What fleet would that have been???
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Perhaps the competitors or the organizers should post a bond, or be financially responsible for rescue efforts. This, I think, might put too much of a financial burden on them and could lead to the demise of the race. I would not like to see that.
As to the point of 'maritime law', I can't think of any other sporting event in which laws or standards are not adhered to.
This is a reasonable cost of doing business. Posting a bond or getting insurance to cover the cost of a rescue could easily be incorporated into the structure, given the budgets involved.
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Oh, wait a sec: almost all of them: rules of the road in auto racing and cycling; laws regarding common assault (almost any team sport); laws regarding assault with a weapon (hockey) etc. etc. etc. It is the nature of these sporting events that participants can function outside of the laws. How great would NASCAR be if there were pedestrian crossings, traffic lights and school buses on the track? The Tour de France would be a blast if the cyclists had to stick to the cycling lanes and signal their turns. Not to mention no more hockey fights!
Last I checked, NASCAR ran on closed tracks, where normal street driving laws do not apply.
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Sailingdog Telstar 28
New England
You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.
—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)
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Don't know how this thread turned into bagging the Canadian navy, ah well.
I understand that the Australian Navy & government vessels go down that way fairly frequently. The zone between Oz and Antartica is an Australian fisheries zone so the Navy occassionaly chase fishing boats down below 40 degrees south. There is a fish called the Patagonian toothfish (which I understand is called a Chilean sea bass in the US) where an Australian vessel chased an illegal fishing boat around 4,000 NM. There are also Oz vessels often "observing" Japanese whalers, however they don't arrest them, not sure why. Therefore Australian vessels proceeding that far south is not uncommon.
I think a lot of the fuss is caused by the media; negative stories like this tend to sell more newspapers. I also think we need to be careful in suggesting posting bonds or claim on insurance (which I doubt many of the boats possess). The next step would be restricting anyone from sailing single handed as a I doubt if the average person would differentiate between a Vendee Globe competitor and your average cruiser sailing single handed.
One thing is for sure, the Australian Navy has done a great job & should be congratulated, obviously have nothing in common with the Canadian navy
We're not bagging the Canadian Navy. You can't bag something that is imaginary. We're just bagging some of our Canadian colleagues, who, due to their status as residents of the 52nd state, are fair game.
I'm going to duck for cover now... They've got a lot of snow for ammo up in Canada.
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Sailingdog Telstar 28
New England
You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.
—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)
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We're just bagging some of our Canadian colleagues, who, due to their status as residents of the 52nd state, are fair game. 
