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The other day I was watching Man vs Wild and saw a knot with the same purpose as the one you are describing (although tied differently). IHe called it the kamakaze knot, but t appears to be a sheepshank with the center strand cut. Tension keeps the whole thing together. WHen you get to the bottom, and the tension comes off the knot, it separates. The main piece of line falls to the ground, leaving only a small piece of cord tied to your anchor point.
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Of course, the question I have is why the I-beam was so improperly secured on board a naval vessel? (Not to rain on your parade, Jim!) We tend to under-secure things in general and knives are made for "quick-releasing".

Now I'll have to watch that movie again!

You need Ashley, Jim. You've gotten far enough into this that you'll be able to appreciate the book. You can justify the purchase because we've got another couple months of the unmentionable which is just about the amount of time you'll devote to Chapter One! Twenty feet of manila and you'll lack not for winter entertainment. Keeping your eyes on what your hands are doing keeps them from straying to the window and the unmentionable.
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Of course, the question I have is why the I-beam was so improperly secured on board a naval vessel? ...

Now I'll have to watch that movie again!
Yep, you'll have to watch the movie again. If I told you, it'd be a bit of a spoiler

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You need Ashley, Jim. You've gotten far enough into this that you'll be able to appreciate the book. You can justify the purchase ...
An' there's the rub. A 10% across-the-board wage reduction by my employer leaves us in a position such that "justification" is no longer sufficient . (Not that I'm complaining, mind you! I'm happy to still have a job .)

I wonder if our public library has it...?

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Semi, dude, you're a card-carrying member of the literati and you watch Steven Segal movies? That guy can't even spell his own name! Ouch. You are one "complex" cat.

I believe the knot you're talking about is the Shotokan Jka Jion (instituted by Master Taiji Kase in 1959). What you saw in the film was only the UNtying part of the kata. Had you watched all the way through the credits (to the outtakes), you would have seen Master Segal pulling the beam into place with the rope and, with a minor flick of his pinky, tying said knot.

Impressough. Truely.
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On a side note....

Notice how brown the water is when Seagal is overboard? One of those editorial errors. They're supposed to be in the Pacific, right? Well, the movie was filmed on the USS Alabama in Mobile, AL. Gotta love that muddy water! They used the sub (USS Drum) from Battleship park as well.
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I think the point has been missed both by Hollywood and here. I'm unfamiliar with methods of securing weighty items to be hoisted aloft where just a flick of the wrist to release them is a desirable feature. It's sort of like all the movies where you see the container being released to fall upon someone. The bottom might just fall out of one on occasion but there are no container cranes designed for a quick release under a loaded condition. Aside from ruining the whole day of the contents of the container, the crane has a tendency to leap about three feet in the air when this happens and it takes a couple of days to just realign it on it's tracks. Don't ask me how I know this. Hollywood always takes their license at just the part that ruins things for you if you really know the scenario.
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Don't you just love the literary license that Hollywood and authors take.
I read one book where the author knew nothing about 17th century ships and tried to use one for the back ground in the plot. "Fending off another ship with a grapnel." Yes the author did write that line.
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I think the point has been missed both by Hollywood and here. I'm unfamiliar with methods of securing weighty items to be hoisted aloft where just a flick of the wrist to release them is a desirable feature.
Yes, I can't imagine such a "feature" would usually be desirable. My point wasn't to critique the movie (c'mon, it's a Hollywood shoot-'em-up, after all), but merely to point out an interesting knot, and, as an aside, how my perception of things has changed due to sailing and, as a consequence of that, taking an interest in knots. Two years ago I wouldn't have been able to tie a bowline or clove hitch to save my soul, much less have taken an interest in a knot I'd seen in a movie.

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Hollywood always takes their license at just the part that ruins things for you if you really know the scenario.
That's the reason I tend to shun movies about computer and network hacking. Computers and networks are what I do for a living.

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"Fending off another ship with a grapnel." Yes the author did write that line.
Well... maybe it was a grapnel with a very long shank

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That's why you need Ashley, Jim! If you find it at the library it's likely to be a very old, and potentially valuable, edition of it. It's only recently been back in printing. Course, if you were to show up at the AFOC convention I might know someone who might be willing to lend you his unofficial Taiwanese edition from the '70's!
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