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There are actually quite a few multi's that race on puget sound. DragonFly is a speed demon, a cat with a -160 or some such rating! Not a real good crusier tho. Most multi's are tri's. I guess some folks only need the training wheels, and NOT the main hull!

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Chuckles, when I'm up in you're neck of the woods, I'd like to sail a W/L course against you. I also rate a 174, and think it would be fun to see how it works out. Maybe a mis-"Match race" if you will.

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You can love both but I fear a crusier boat will never be competive with the same boat set up for racing.

That does not mean that you cannot have fun racing just don't expect to win the over all or your class.

Unless you are willing to remove all cushions, wate in the head, fresh water, food stuffs, pots and pans, bedding, fuel (just enuff to get to the race and back) and anything that does not have a use for sailing.

You might want to look at thinner stronger halards and the anchor if not required needs to be removed or downsized to the min.

The bottom must be clean and smooth.

Food and water can be carried in an ice chest.

Be very leary of letting the racer out! You might just find yourself taking things things off your boat--you really didn't need them anyway.

There is a camaradie among racers that most will never understand untill they become racers.

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Dare I ask...Is it possible to love both?

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Kind of like racing a Corvette against a pickup truck.


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PHRF SMURF

PHRF is a guideline, subject to modification and interpretation

I only 'race' locally if the winds are less than 12 kts, I can't plane in that low a breeze so I'm limited to hull speed. Makes it fair, mostly. I'll admit as commodore of my yacht club I can stretch the rules somewhat.

On the other hand, I 'race' every boat I'm on a similar course to, and often change course just to have a little fun. I win some, I lose some as I'm an indifferent racer.

For my local club, we use 174 as my PHRF, no screecher allowed. We (Race chair and I) arrived at that by sailing along side a boat rated at 177 in 10 knts of air, completing a triangle and hanging within 10 feet of relative starting positions. The other boat was a Islander 37, 150 genoa, both boats with clean bottoms. I am not eligible for trophies and such, and generally start at the 5 minute warning to stay clear of them that are eligible.
I cross the line at finish, hit my stopwatch and if the gun for the winner goes off more than 5 minutes later I figure I won line honors. It's the best I can do.

Keep in mind that I'm single handing a condo-cat against race crewed boats and only doing it for fun (and a little nose rubbing in the waves).

There are 118 KNOWN Gemini's on the Lakes for a starter. Multi's will eventually rule.

There are 4 Gemini's on my local river, two in my yacht club.

Google 'multihull racing chicago' then check out the FLEETS that are there.

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Kind of like racing a Corvette against a pickup truck.
I'd bet some pickups might give a vette a run for its money in some races. IE straight ahead such as a 1/4 mile. Not sure they would do well in a slalom or equal......but some pickumups are pretty quick, and have decent HP-lb ratio's.

But in the end, multi's vs mono's will not generally speaking do very well head to head! just like pickumups and vettes........Now to remember what a vette is,,,,or a car for that matter! says the person that has only owned one car, 69 conv bug, and too many trucks to count!

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When my brother was living in LA... he had a friend that had a pickup truck that could smoke most Corvettes. It had a 500 cu. in. block V8 that was bored and blueprinted... couldn't corner for jack, but in a straight line... it was a bat outta hades...

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Some of you guys need to research how fast a new corvette really is. But that discussion is for another thread...
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I know how fast the new Corvette is.. the truck I'm talking about was from back in the late 1980s... when the Corvettes were a bit more reasonable.
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Ford lightening?

Just b/c the vette was slow, doesn't make the truck fast.

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Was an old Chevy truck IIRC... BTW, the Corvettes from the late 1980s didn't have any where near the performance or power that the latest ones do... Then again, cars like the Corvette are likely a good part of the reason GM should be going belly up IMHO... No real need for a car that can do 160+ MPH on streets that are limited to 70 MPH by law. Stupid and wasteful.

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