No US in America's Cup

[Omatako]

Originally Posted by SEMIJim

Alinghi has conspired to violate the terms of the Gift of Deed. Everybody knows it. You know it. Thus, whatever race is held won't the the "Americas Cup." It will be a sham and a farce.

Thus showing you, like the "competitors" that entered despite it being a sham and a farce, care more for the results than whether the race was fairly run.

Doesn't it even interest you that out of twelve teams in the last AC, the only one that's disturbed by the changes made to the rule by Alinghi is Oracle? All the other teams accept it as part of what they have to do to win. Oracle are holding out for a miracle flowing from their belief that litigation in an American court solves everything. It may, but then again it may not.

And it's not that I care more for the results, it's that I believe the racing will still be the racing and will be fairly run. You're correct in saying that the run-up to it is dodgy but the racing will be run the same as it always is. All the entering teams will still be doing what they can to win. The series will still be exciting, the competition will still be tough. Oracle, if they were there, may be beaten again. Their track record so far isn't that spectacular. And the rest of the world will still see an America's Cup, only a handful of people in the US will see the apparent farce.

Originally Posted by poopdeckpappy

And just how obligatory is holding the regatta in open ocean or a arm of open ocean

The 2003 AC was held in the Hauraki Gulf which can only be described as "an arm of open ocean". Didn't bother anybody then. Reality is that if any of the AC boats were subjected to REAL open ocean, they wouldn't last ten minutes.

Originally Posted by poopdeckpappy

The competitor missing is the legitimate Challenger of Record ( GGYC not CNEV) all other competitor are competing in a challenger selection series under IACC for the right to challenge the defending club for the Cup

The fact that a club may be the COR does not set them free of the challenger series. The COR is just another club competing for the right to be the challenger. So it's not a case of "all other competitors", it is a case of ALL competitors. The primary purposes of having a COR is to "throw down the gauntlet" as it were and (Oracle's main beef) it allows them to participate in the rule-making process for the next series. The rule changes now being made by the defender are apparently not acceptable to Oracle but seemingly are to everybody else. The truth is that even if the GGYC was recognised as the COR, they would only be able to influence the rule changes, they wouldn't be able to impose their will on the defender.

Like I said in my earlier post, get over it, move on.

[Valiente]

There are a number of sailors in the world who have ceased to consider the AC a race of any consequence at all, beyond watching corporations and billionaires compete over who can build the weakest boat that won't actually crumple during the 12-knot "race" itself.

Any "Corinthianism" it ever had (never a strong suit, I'll admit) is completely drained from it now. Not only is there no heir to Dennis, I'm pretty sure there could not be. Hired guns, single-use boats, flags of convenience, lawyers: This isn't sailing.

[SEMIJim]

Originally Posted by Omatako

Doesn't it even interest you that out of twelve teams in the last AC, the only one that's disturbed by the changes made to the rule by Alinghi is Oracle?

No, it does not, for the reasons I already expressed. To wit: "If a million people say a stupid thing..." and for the reasons the NYYC stated in its amicus curiae brief.

Originally Posted by Omatako

You're correct in saying that the run-up to it is dodgy but ...

"But..." So it doesn't matter to you whether the race will be run fairly and as per the Deed of Gift, just that you get to watch some "good" sailing?

You see, there's the difference between us, I guess: To me it's as much how you play the game as whether you win or lose. I was brought up to believe in the principle of fair play.

Jim

[poopdeckpappy]

Originally Posted by Omatako

The 2003 AC was held in the Hauraki Gulf which can only be described as "an arm of open ocean". Didn't bother anybody then. Reality is that if any of the AC boats were subjected to REAL open ocean, they wouldn't last ten minutes.

And it shouldn't have bothered anybody, That is what the Deed explicitly says, Open Ocean or a Arm of Open Ocean.

So why is it ( or was it ) that they had a issue with holding a regatta per the deed ??

[hellosailor]

Oh, it's a silver bucket and most folks woldn't know the difference between it and the Stanley Cup even if they were six feet away from it.

If Larry Ellison were to spend fifty grand on a new silver bucket and BMW did the same, the world would have two more prestige cups to race for and that one could be left to gather dust, after all the idiotic court modifications to the original grant.

The BMW Cup, for any sailboat using excessively complex and pointless technology but with neat headlights.

And the Oracle Cup, for any sailboat willing to present a court challenge to any other cup race or entrant, or employ a professional crew consisting entirely of practicing attorneys.

[poopdeckpappy]

Like I said a page or 2 back,........... it's a shame

But ya gotta admit, the court challenges were and are to keep it to the intent of the deed, this one is no different