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Looking at my charts it will be approximately a 60 mile trip from the Rhode river to Smith Is. I plan on making this trip in May while I still have spring winds. Here are a few questions anything else will be great!
Smith Island, the Island that time forgot....

We went to Smith this summer, still there but barely. Once the last tourist ferry leaves at 3:30 EVERYTHING is closed. Nice to walk about, but as for food or people forget it .

Saw 4-6' of water in the channel at high tide, was hard aground at the dock at low (love that Chesapeake mud). Getting into the marina was fun, was aiming at the furthest dock and by the time we were lined up, I was looking at the last slip, must have been 3-4 kts coming through the cut.

Leaving at high tide we had a following current at 4-5 kts and found ourselves crabbing through the channel. Ended HARD aground right between the marks. Was lucky to have had a ex-waterman who was visiting who they got out of bed to pull us off. Had us heeled over at 30+° pulling us the 6" back into the channel.

It was quite interesting listing to the watermen on the VHF saying, another sailboater just ran out of water in the same spot as those other ones, maybe we should put some stakes in there. Needless to say we could see 3 or 4 of them and they were just too busy pulling pots to see if they could help.

First time I sailed into Smith was in the mid 80's, there was no marina, pulled up to the town dock, was told by the locals we were one of the first larger sailboats they ever seen come in. Very sad to see that there were dozens if not hundreds of workboats leaving at o'god hundred back then and this time there was maybe a dozen. The island's population is probably 25-50% of what it was then.

As for the OP's questions:

How long will this take (15-20knts. wind) ? Depends on the direction. Agree with all from Rhode doing it in one hop is not advisable. Solomans to Smith is good.

Will the currents make a big difference in travel speed? You'll see up to 1.5kt in the bay around the Pax river, half the time it's going with you, the other half it's not.

Should I drop anchor in the Bay if we need to rest or find a river ? Take the above advice, and do NOT anchor in the bay.

Good places to eat and sleep on the Island ? Get there before 3pm and there are a few options, after that nothing at all

How hard is it to navigate Smith Is. channel ? On a 1-10, and 10 being the hardest, I'd give it a 7. The channel is cut right through the sunken island, so you have 3-6' cut right through 1' of marsh. Add to that there are some wicked currents and the channel likes to wander on it's own.

Should I go in the channel at night? Good luck! I don't think the locals go in at night....

Where can I tie up ? It's a buck per foot at the Smith Island marina, nice new docks, shower and lounge with AC.

Do I need GPS ? If you know what your doing, you don't. But for $100 or less you can get a GPS to tell you your coordinates that you can plot onto your chart.

Sailing from the Rhode, you have lot's of great 1 day sails: St Michaels, oxford, Wye River, Solomons, etc. But doing Smith as a 1 day trip ain't gonna happen. Feel free to PM me as I'm at Herrington Harbour S on the southern part of Herring bay.

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Thanks for all the advice I think everyone has me conviced its a two day trip. I do tend to try and push the limits and my crew always thinks we can make it happen to. Looks like over night trips for now.

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Is there a reasonable place to anchor with 6' draft and dinghy in to visit Smith Island? I've looked over the charts and the resolution I have doesn't provide a lot of insight. I'd look at Shellenberger's book, but it's buried under a project ...
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This is a trip I've been interested in too.
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Is there a reasonable place to anchor with 6' draft and dinghy in to visit Smith Island? I've looked over the charts and the resolution I have doesn't provide a lot of insight. I'd look at Shellenberger's book, but it's buried under a project ...
With 6' you might want to consider getting a slip at Summers Cove in Crisfield and taking the ferry over, in fact next time I'm thinking I'll do the same and I draw 4'2".

Here's a screenshot to give you an idea of how skinny the water is at Smith.

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I tried to go to Smith Island once, but after running aground in the channel (with a 3.5 ft. draft) 3 times, I turned around and had a wonderful sail back across the bay to Point Lookout. Maybe I'll check the tide tables next time.

As mentioned above, the channel markers need to be followed, as the channel is where it is, and where it isn't, there's marsh that's barely above or below water. The island is so low cars on the road look like they're traveling across water, and what looks like a straight shot into town from the bay will run you aground.
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One point in reading your post and the responses, have you done any weekends? Before you sail to Smith Island you might consider starting out with a few shorter weekend visits to some good local anchorages. I would suggest Dun Cove just north of Knapps Narrows on Harris Creek. Also consider the Little Choptank. Its a longer trip, but might make a good shakedown for your Smith Island trip. You defiantly need to learn navigating small creeks and channels as well as the open Bay.

Back to recommendations on Smith Island trip. I would defiantly plan a stop over for Solomon's Island. The stretch of Bay between West River and Patuxent River (both western shore) is a long stretch with few or no harbors of refuge.

Also, keep in mind wind direction. When you day-sail you can decide to head for Bloody Point rather than Thomas Point if the wind is more favorable, but when heading south in a strong northerly you will be tacking a long time. So, make sure you have adequate fuel supply on board because motoring might be the answer.

I remember back to when I first had my 22' boat. I planned all winter (as I suspect you are). I made it a cruise not a trip to a single place. I went to Solomons, to Smith, to Tangier Island, Then Chrisfield and to the Honga River and finally home to West River. Make sure you get a copy of Cruising the Chesapeake, A Gunkholer's Guide by William H Shellenberger. It is an expensive book at $39.95 but worth every penny.

In addition to anchoring techniques, you need to brush up on your dead reckoning. When I made my first long cruise (1977) there were NO GPSs so navigation was the only way. And The Bay is wide enough that you can be out of sight of land if there is any haze. If you are going without GPS (this is perfectly fine, sailors have done that for centuries) make sure you mark your chart with times, as you pass markers and DR Plots, etc as you sail. You might also want to add a hand bearing compass and some simple dividers to your Nav kit. It's a Big Bay but not so big you can't do it with simple instruments. A VHF is a good idea (maybe a handheld).

Also, you might like to take a dingy. It can add to your experience and be invaluable if you do run aground.

One last recommendation. Make your plans to be OFF the Bay before 4PM each day. Every bad squall I have been in came up after 4pm.
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You have me figured out pretty good. I do use a handheld VHF and have a hand bearing compass plus a good compass near the helm. The one weekend trip I made was by accident I'll try to make a long story short. Me my brother and his son Departed from the Rhode river early 11/30/07 and planned to be back the same day. We used my brothers 22' Trophy (Great fishing boat) to help me get my first and only boat a 24' Lapworth Trojan. I bought Sea Chase for $ 750.00, needed work but I think it was well worth it and plus I learn more when I fix her up. Well any way we picked up Sea Chase at noon. We could have made it to Oxford by 11:00 am ( bad navigating). Next problem was the guy who I bought the boat from held us up at least an Hour. Our third mistake was we should have started towing right away but instead me and my nephew sailed her out off the Choptank.Then at dark our DR skills wheren't very good to say the least, we hit the shoals of Herring bay. Made it to Herring Harbor North by 10:00pm in the sleet, rain with no fuel but plenty of mild hypothermia. Found a Hotel in Chesapeake Beach, it took all night to get our body temps back up to normal. Finaly made it back Dec. 1 the marina wanted to know what happened to me arriving a day late. I told them I was on "Island Time".

I would like to bring a dingy but I thought it would be difficult with a 24' Boat?

By the way I am converting my brother from a motor boat S.O.B. to a sailor. Thats one less wake to eat.

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I would like to bring a dingy but I thought it would be difficult with a 24' Boat?
We towed our 8' Dyer behind our 24 footer for years. No problem. Get a nice long, floating tow line.
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