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I'd also like to know: any disadvantage in using a single genoa sheet with a lark's head/cow hitch/whatever tied at the sail?
One downside, at least: the sheet chafes at the same points. By using two sheets and switching them end for end occassionally, the life of the sheet is extended.

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The same is true for halyards, which can "harden" at the point they turn over the sheave or out of the mast (depending on your halyard set up).

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i would also worry about a long bowline shaking loose on the loose line, it might never happen but once in bad weather is enough.
hey...nothing personal, but if your bowlines come lose with shaking, you may want to revise the technique you use. mine have nevr come lose.

But I see your point. thanks
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One downside, at least: the sheet chafes at the same points. By using two sheets and switching them end for end occassionally, the life of the sheet is extended.

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What's to stop you from cutting the line when the chafe necessitates it? You either cut it initially or cut it later. It can still be end for ended.
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I also use a larkshead (center-of-line-bight through clew then ends through bight), because that's the way the PO did it. So far I'm not crazy about this system: it means sail changes take a lot longer as lines have to be pulled out of the fairleads and coiled, and then new lines rigged (since as mentioned above, each hanked-on jib gets its own sheet).

Moreover I find that in heavier air if a tack isn't timed right, it can snag on the forward shrouds. A bowline with a knot a ways back from the clew, like in Giu's setup, might not have this problem?

Finally I'm a bit concerned that keeping ever-tightening knots in the line is bad for its health. I'm thinking of switching to separate sheets, and if I do I'll definitely follow Giulietta's advice.
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Maybe I am weird on this, been called weird before for other reasons........

For my two jibs, each has its own sheets, granted this costs a bit more, but when you know you will be changing jibs, in my case, 110 to 155 or 155 down to a 110, I setup the new jib's lines in the carrs, on the forestay etc, and drop the one, and hoist the other.

I also admit, my 110 uses a different carr/track that is farther forward than the 155 or my cruising 140 that will be here in a month or so.........BUT even if they used the same carr, I have the carrs that two lines that can run thru, so you set up the one while still using the other, and again, jib changes are kept to minimum time. Even if it is just spouse and I vs when racing with 4-6 crew on board etc.

This method works fine for the hanked on jibs I had, now with a foil, one jib can be up, the other in the lee hoisting, drop the filled on, and new fills almost instantaniously! But again, you need two sets of sheets to do this method, strictly cruisers may not want the extra expense of the lines.

This is my mad or madd or what ever method you want to call it for the use of jibs/geno's etc.

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For years I have used a double length jib sheet.The center of the sheet is pushed through the clew and the two ends pulled through the bight then pulled tight.Doesn't catch on mast hardware when tacking and reduces the weight on the clew in light weather.I leave it on the sail when folding it .Requires re running the sheets for each sail change but it works for me.
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Sounds like the KISS Keep it simple principle to me. It is what I have done since day 1 with hank-ons and still do with the rollerfurler. My lines have not worn out yet and I have seperate blocks/tracks for jib vs genoa so I have to re-thread the sheets either way. They are not that expensive anyway.
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This method works fine for the hanked on jibs I had, now with a foil, one jib can be up, the other in the lee hoisting, drop the filled on, and new fills almost instantaniously! But again, you need two sets of sheets to do this method, strictly cruisers may not want the extra expense of the lines.

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That method isn't mad, it's called a peal. And the fastest way to make a sail change. I'm not a fan of huge loops at the clew, a larks head seems to work the best and saves on weight pulling down the sail in light air.

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Thanks for the actual term ie "peal" for when raising and lowering foiled jibs. The "mad or madd" part of quote was just to say my way of doing things. Be it right or wrong, as in any of the methods mentioned, they all work, it is more of a which works best for me vs you vs _________ all are right and wrong and _____________

I will have to remember the term "peal" thos! thank you!
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