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Genoa sheets knots, tip for newbies

OK, here is a cool tip for newbies and others...off course my expereince, and nothing other, many may not agree, I don't mind.(or care)



One of the first things we learn once you start operating in the bow of boats is the knots that tie the genoa sheets to the sail..so far so good



Most people, just tie a bowline or any other similar knot, and many many tie the knot as near and short as possible..see bellow



well I don't do that, and so no one I know. I normally tie the knot as long as possible, (see blue arrow bellow, I will explain why...





but the loop can't be too long, as it may prevent the sheet to get in the genoa track car sheave. The knot should be at least 3 inches before it reaches the sheave.See red arrow above

WHY??

Well one of the main reasons is that in a storm, in a hurry or any other emergency, the longer the knot is from the sail, the further in it is inside the boat, so one does not have to expose and stretch outside the boat to reach the knot in an emergency, which is good in bad weather..one never knows..

When one needs to untie the knot, and the sail is flapping around, it's hard to hold on to it...by having a long loop it dampens the flapping stoping the knot from shacking with the sail

It also helps when setting the wisker pole on a downwind, as the loop facilitates the manouver, and other more stuff...

Hope this tip from uncle Alex has helped you

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... and a longish knot tends to slide around shrouds and stays with less hangups than a short chunky one.....
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Fast, yes,

Another advantage is on rolled genoas, the knots make it easier to reach the sheets, when and if needed.

Here Fred, a relatively short person (still), can reach them easily, as can be seen.



As can be seen bellow in this photo, both knots are inside the boat, even with the sail outside.



And I do that with the Spinnakers also.

But with the Spinnakers, I use a thin Dyneema extension line that reduces weight suspended on the sail, and allows me to remove the sheets easily and have both allways attached, but above all reduces friction on forward rotating gybes by less than half once the sheets pass the in front on the genoa tack.



hope this helps,

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Woah, woah, woah. I have a parrothead/larkshead/chucklehead/whatever "knot" in my Genny using a single sheet. Is that sheer lunacy? Am I begging for disaster? Will I sink?

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Thanks for the tip Uncle A,

On our Thursday night races I seem to be tasked with poling out the genny and it always takes me three attempts (not so coordinated )

We always do less well on the downwind legs...

We shall try the longer bowlines next season.
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Great ideas! can't wait till the white stuff disappears and I can try those out.

SPRING IS COMMING!!!!

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Just one comment about long knots on Spinnakers.. I assume this is in reference to an A sail. While few symmetrical spins are tied on, if they are then long knots are problematic when acting as a guy vis-a-vis the pole. The tack/clew should be as close to the pole as possible for stability.
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Geez, Giu. Is winter getting to you, too? I tie my bowlines long, too. Finally, I got one right! Wish Michigan had Portugese(sp?) weather.

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Thanks for the tip Unk. Will try it out this summer.
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