Well my day really sucked.

[mallo]

Sorry smackdaddy, what is the BFS Thread?? (Excuse my ignorance)

[painkiller]

"Boat Freakin' Sunk"

[smackdaddy]

mallo - Big Freakin' Sails. Click in the link in my post above to get there. Obviously - this one didn't turn out so great for you. But it looks like a hell of a story.

Now, Cam, you keep harping on something that isn't quite true as far as I can see from the posts:

Originally Posted by camaraderie

He had a choice to begin with. That he chose not to heed the advice given resulted in this loss. The boat remains his responsibility regardless of his CURRENT ability to pay for its' disposal.

and

Originally Posted by camaraderie

That is not giving him a hard time... that is saying yeah...you didn't listen and now you have to pay an even bigger price and you damn well don't have any right to my (tax) money to solve your problem nor do you have a right to walk away from the boat as you have done.

You make it sound like you and others were giving him all kinds of advice that he was outright ignoring. But, looking back at his posts and the responses he got - that wasn't quite the case:
1. He asks about anchoring techniques in a marina area he was moored in.
2. Get's some feedback from Maine regarding needing more scope and weight - especially with having two boats on the system. (The one quoted herein).
3. Looks into some other mooring options (train wheels, etc.).
4. He moves the boat from that area to the creek and anchors.
5. Gets hit by Hanna. Loses a couple of anchors in succession, but the boat survives okay.
6. Gets hit with a squall and loses the boat while it is on a single anchor.

So unless I'm missing it, where is all this advice he "ignores"? Especially yours?

I mean it sounds good to say this if you want to keep grave dancing. But you need to go back and look at the facts, dude. What am I missing?

I agree with you that it's not cool to leave the boat. But that's a different matter. My hunch is that he wasn't dripping with cash to salvage the thing. How much do you think it would take to do it right? How many thousands? What permits, etc. and costs would it take to cut it up or whatever in the water? The guy tried to do what we could from what I see. Then he walked. Again, understandable, but not cool.

So, principally, you're right on that score. BUT from what I see in the posts, you're way off on the "I told you so" crap.

Stop beating the guy up and stick with the facts. He screwed up. He admitted it. He lost his boat. What more do you want?

[camaraderie]

More bullcrap from the chief troll.
1. I never said I told him anything. The only advice I ever gave him was on solar panels. Nice try spin-monkey.
2. Multiple people commented on his home-made 500 lb. mooring plan and told him to get a REAL mooring. That is the advice he ignored as he just stayed on his anchor....even after losing a couple of them. Here's the thread for anyone else to review:
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/gear-m...t-mooring.html

By the way troll-daddy... your boat has been recovered...it was hidden by the rubber ducky.

[chall03]

Pain, you crack me up.

[PalmettoSailor]

Does someone that puportedly lived on a boat for 2 years need to be told that leaving a boat for weeks at a time on a single anchor in a tidal creek is a bad idea? Really?

Wasn't the solicitation of advice from strangers on the internet really just asking for valildation? I think in his heart he knew what he was doing was a bad idea, and if he could have afforded the boat he never would have done it.

He was just like the chick that wanted to cruise with dogs. Folks with experince cruising all gave reasons why it was a bad idea but the lady could not be disuaded. This guy knew the risk, he just wanted someone to say it would be ok. Then he wanted to find folks that would feel sorry for him which he seems to have done in spades.

I don't feel sorry for him a bit. I feel sorry for whoever ends doing the work or paying the tab for pulling that boat out of there, whether it be my family's tax dollars (Brother, Sister and Niece within 40 miles of that boat) or a volunteer organization that works to protect our natural resources.

[smackdaddy]

Originally Posted by camaraderie

More bullcrap from the chief troll.
1. I never said I told him anything. The only advice I ever gave him was on solar panels. Nice try spin-monkey.
2. Multiple people commented on his home-made 500 lb. mooring plan and told him to get a REAL mooring. That is the advice he ignored as he just stayed on his anchor....even after losing a couple of them. Here's the thread for anyone else to review:
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/gear-m...t-mooring.html

By the way troll-daddy... your boat has been recovered...it was hidden by the rubber ducky.

On point 1 - Cool, then don't hammer him. It's not your fight. That was my point.

On point 2 - I read the thread. Lot's of discussion about what a "REAL" mooring means. Granite? Concrete? I don't see "mulitple people" giving him the advice you're trying to imply. Maine says 500 pounds isn't enough. Others talk about all kinds of ways to do a homemade mooring. Environmental issues come up with the lead and he moves away from that. And then someone says to buy a mushroom anchor.

Dude, this doesn't require any spin. It only requires reading the posts. Sorry - no dice.

However, I do have to give you credit for the name-calling: 2 trolls, 1 monkey, and a duck. Impressive.

PS - Sounds like a joke..."2 trolls, a monkey and a duck walk into a bar..."

[camaraderie]

1 On your point one...screw you...I'll mess with anyone I think deserves it. Who made the Troll the keeper of the faith?

2. On your other points...people can see right through them if they read the thread as midlife just did. Just trolling as usual.

3. On your PS...yes...you are a joke.

[smackdaddy]

Originally Posted by midlifesailor

I think in his heart he knew what he was doing was a bad idea, and if he could have afforded the boat he never would have done it.

You know Mid, I think you actually hit the heart of the issue. Money. Doing things on the cheap. Doing it yourself. And the gamble of "I'll do it as soon as I can afford it."

How many of us can "afford" to ALWAYS do it "right" every time? That's what I think people are responding to and seeing room for sympathy. Especially taking into account his age.

Of course, discussing this issue is a lot more thorny than just the mooring, anchoring and abandoning issue.

[JT1019]

Wow, this thread has gone to hell in a hand basket....

Can't we all get along and have civilized debates without throwing mud? Christ, the reason I came to SailNet was for the MATURITY of it’s members, unlike other forums that shall remain nameless.

PLAY NICE!