Well my day really sucked.

[tager]

Ignore the naysayers. Do it for yourself. It can be done. It is not complicated. Just pump the water out of it. It will still be a boat! It will take a lot of work to make it perfect, but it won't take a lot of work to make it sail! It won't even be all that expensive.

Here's one more reason to raise the boat from the dead. It is the respectful thing to do to nature.

Why create the waste? Why support the throwaway culture? You could just haul it out and go sell it or sink it or scrap it. It would be awful to the earth though. I think buying new boats is unconscionable when there are boats lke this that need to be revived. Bugger all the voodoo economics lectures.

[KeelHaulin]

Originally Posted by tager

It will take a lot of work to make it perfect, but it won't take a lot of work to make it sail! It won't even be all that expensive.

Here's one more reason to raise the boat from the dead. It is the respectful thing to do to nature. It would be awful to the earth though. I think buying new boats is unconscionable when there are boats lke this that need to be revived. Bugger all the voodoo economics lectures.

Sorry, but it will take much more than a little work to make that stinking hulk that's full of mud float; let alone sail.

I hate to tell you this but all things have a lifespan whether it is a person or a car or a boat. You can keep throwing money at an old car until you are spending more than a monthly payment on a new one (and you can't find parts anymore); or you can send it to the scrap yard and get a new one. It makes little difference to "nature" what you do; because the earth is the mother of all recycling machines. I'm much more concerned about the CO2 levels (fossil fuels) and the long term effects than I am about old sunken boats that -could- be restored.

If it were not for all of the new boats that were made; we who own used boats would not be able to afford them. Somebody had to have bought it new; so it makes little difference if you were the first time buyer or the 10'th owner (aside from the amount you paid and the amount of maintenance you will pay).

Marinas in my area send several boats a month (each) to the wrecking yard; and these boats are floating, not sunken mud filled wrecks. Why are they doing this? Because there is little interest in restoring old boats that need more work and money than they are valued at so they can't even give them away.

I hope DBW gets it hauled out or at least the mast removed before someone else hits it and gets injured. I could care less what happens to the hull if it is not blocking the waterway.

[cnc33voodoo]

Originally Posted by tager

Ignore the naysayers. Do it for yourself. It can be done. It is not complicated. Just pump the water out of it. It will still be a boat! It will take a lot of work to make it perfect, but it won't take a lot of work to make it sail! It won't even be all that expensive.

Here's one more reason to raise the boat from the dead. It is the respectful thing to do to nature.

Why create the waste? Why support the throwaway culture? You could just haul it out and go sell it or sink it or scrap it. It would be awful to the earth though. I think buying new boats is unconscionable when there are boats lke this that need to be revived. Bugger all the voodoo economics lectures.

From reading a couple of your "thrift" lectures I doubt anyone should take advise from someone who does all their marine shopping at home depot, walmart or the scrapyard.

[casioqv]

Originally Posted by cnc33voodoo

From reading a couple of your "thrift" lectures I doubt anyone should take advise from someone who does all their marine shopping at home depot, walmart or the scrapyard.

Why ignore his advice just because he's found lower cost sources of materials? I think Tager's "thrift lectures" are some of the best information I've seen on this forum. Especially the idea of DIY galvanized rigging- which is cheaper, safer, and longer lasting than stainless steel standing rigging although messier and higher maintenance.

Common sense, craftsmanship skills, and some basic raw materials that can be obtained for free or very cheap are all one needs to build or maintain a sailboat. Expensive new stuff is a nice luxury for those who can afford it, but are unnecessary to people who have more time than money, and want to go sailing anyways.

[casioqv]

Originally Posted by KeelHaulin

You can keep throwing money at an old car until you are spending more than a monthly payment on a new one (and you can't find parts anymore)

I can't think of a realistic scenario where buying a new car would be cheaper than maintaining an old car yourself. I spend about $1000/year on parts maintaining my 1987 Mercedes 190D Turbo, because it's such a rare car that all of the parts are super expensive and have to be shipped from Germany one at a time (they only made about 1000 of these, and only for one year). I can't imagine a car exists with more expensive parts- perhaps a 30s rolls royce or something? The cheapest new car- a Huyndai accent for example would have monthly payments of at least $200/month. My other car- an old Volvo wagon costs that much per year to maintain.

An old sailboat is even easier, because all of the parts are fairly generic. There's hardly a part on an old fiberglass sailboat where you couldn't adapt a used part from a scrapped boat of another brand for nearly free.

Just last month, I saw an abandoned 25 foot boat that was being towed in by a sheriff, and he let me pull all of the hardware I wanted for free, as spares for my C22.

[bubb2]

Originally Posted by casioqv

Especially the idea of DIY galvanized rigging- which is cheaper, safer, and longer lasting than stainless steel standing rigging although messier and higher maintenance.

Avoid galvanized wire. It is less expensive than stainless steel, but it’s weaker and stretches more. When the galvanizing inevitably wears off, your wire will rust.

[casioqv]

Originally Posted by bubb2

Avoid galvanized wire. It is less expensive than stainless steel, but it’s weaker and stretches more. When the galvanizing inevitably wears off, your wire will rust.

Stainless wire will eventually fail from chloride stress corrosion cracking- without warning, and in as little as 10 years of use depending on conditions (salinity, temperature, tension). Galvanized wire will last MUCH longer, and will not fail without significant visual warning (broken strands and rust). If maintained with a rustproof coating such as linseed oil or lanolin it will last almost indefinitely.

It's only slightly weaker than stainless wire, and can probably be used in the same size/weight under the same conditions- because it's more likely to maintain it's full rated strength over it's lifetime.

Nevertheless, I'll still use stainless wire on my boat. It only costs about $150 for enough 316 stainless wire to re-rig my C22, and it won't make a mess, and causes less chafe.

[weephee]

Has anyone heard whether the boat was salvaged or just what happened. I think last week was supposed to be the time for another try.

[WheresTheBrakes]

well.. it's still here.. looked last night and it hasn't moved an inch...

does anyone have a stick of dynamite ??

That's probably the quickest way..

[Bene505]

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