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eherlihy · #**381** (**permalink**) 11-05-2009

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Originally Posted by Stillraining

Hmmm...lets see...one big piece of FG in an estuary compare to millions of shards of FG in and estuary...Hmmm...which one do I want...

Which poses a bigger hazard? The half sunken boat in a navigable estuary, or the millions of shards?

It has been done before - and this was on a beach in the Bahamas:

- Article Credit: Kari Pugh published at MadMariner.com

My thought is that by holding the owner responsible, and HAVING HIM do the actual removal, as traumatizing as it might be, would send a clear message to everybody that boat ownership is a serious ONGOING responsibility. When things go south, you can't walk away from this responsibility, and you can't give it away on Craigslist.

This boat was pushed ashore after a storm, not a hurricane. For him to not have adequate ground tackle because he couldn't afford it, means that he could not afford the boat. A more responsible thing for him to have done is to realize this, and either sell or give her away while she was still afloat.

CBinRI · #**382** (**permalink**) 11-05-2009

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Originally Posted by knothead

I agree! Now someone should remind all those countless men who walk away from their marriages and children every day.

Lets keep things in perspective.

This attempt at deflection misses the mark. Irresponsible parenting may be a worse offense against humanity but it is wholly irrelevant to this issue. Would you consider it to be relevant if a corporate polluter told us he couldn't afford to clean up the oil behind his factory? Apples and oranges.

Boasun · #**383** (**permalink**) 11-05-2009

Post 381 should go in the Trivia file and not here.
By the way: Each one of those idiots made the decision to go bad. Parenting really had nothing to do with it....

Now is the Distant Star going to be refloated, become a navigational land mark or be made into small fiber-glass splinters??

eherlihy · #**384** (**permalink**) 11-05-2009

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Originally Posted by CBinRI

This attempt at deflection misses the mark. Irresponsible parenting may be a worse offense against humanity but it is wholly irrelevant to this issue. Would you consider it to be relevant if a corporate polluter told us he couldn't afford to clean up the oil behind his factory? Apples and oranges.

To be fair; I think that he took issue with my statement "ignore this [court] order and go to jail." I believe that his argument is that there are already too many people in jail. For some reason he settled on deadbeat dads to illustrate his point.

His argument, however, didn't hold water for me either. Without the possibility of more severe consequences (escalation) I don't think that any of our laws, or even social mores, would be enforceable; why should anyone pay taxes? why register your boat? why obey traffic laws? why follow rules, why be civilized?

I don't mean to put words in KH's mouth. Please feel free to set me straight.

I almost replied with; "OK, then execute him."

but, I thought that might be too harsh...

Maybe sending the offender on a solo circumnavigation on a sunfish with 2 pitbulls would be a more appropriate escalation?

- whatever...

On the plus side, I have taken this occasion to learn how to use the "Ignore List" feature of SailNet!

Stillraining · #**385** (**permalink**) 11-05-2009

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Originally Posted by Boasun

Now is the Distant Star going to be refloated, become a navigational land mark or be made into small fiber-glass splinters??

Agreed...and as I earlier posted ..I sure hope its not a chain saw at sea kind of thing Bad idea)...what a mess that would be..

Winching it out of the mud with a barge will be expensive but I'm in the camp of its the responsibility of the Owner to pay the freight...its one of the potential "costs" of "livin the free life' so many want to be water dwellers aspire to...That's where the Dead beat dad rabbit trail trail started from.

SVDS had good intentions and I wish him no ill..but he needs to clean up his mess...I hope the authorities see to it in this case...My suggestion to the heroic gentlemen trying to re-float this thing is to run before it becomes you the authorities are after instead.

Cruisingdad · #**386** (**permalink**) 11-05-2009

First of all, we are all friends here guys. I understand why knot posted what he did and I understand your points too.

However, I cannot (and neither can the other mods) go around deleting every thread that goes off topic. Crap - we would never sleep around here. I guess just consider it one of those small irritations of a forum.

My opinions - and all of you can bite TDW if you don't like it (just get a rabbies shot first)!!

HEHE!

Brian

JohnRPollard · #**387** (**permalink**) 11-05-2009

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Originally Posted by eherlihy

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On the plus side, I have taken this occasion to learn how to use the "Ignore List" feature of SailNet!

Hi,

Not sure who you're referring to, but if it was Knothead you'll be missing out on some of the best advice on standing and running rigging that Sailnet has to offer.

Sometimes we misinterpret or misread what others have posted -- I may even have done so here -- so offering the benefit of the doubt is a nice gesture.

Cruisingdad · #**388** (**permalink**) 11-05-2009

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Originally Posted by JohnRPollard

Hi,

Not sure who you're referring to, but if it was Knothead you'll be missing out on some of the best advice on standing and running rigging that Sailnet has to offer.

Exactly - I taught Knot everything he knows!!! He's gotta be knowedgeable!!!

HEHE!

Brian

Stillraining · #**389** (**permalink**) 11-05-2009

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Originally Posted by eherlihy

Which poses a bigger hazard? The half sunken boat in a navigable estuary, or the millions of shards?

It has been done before - and this was on a beach in the Bahamas:

- Article Credit: Kari Pugh published at MadMariner.com

My thought is that by holding the owner responsible, and HAVING HIM do the actual removal, as traumatizing as it might be, would send a clear message to everybody that boat ownership is a serious ONGOING responsibility. When things go south, you can't walk away from this responsibility, and you can't give it away on Craigslist.

This boat was pushed ashore after a storm, not a hurricane. For him to not have adequate ground tackle because he couldn't afford it, means that he could not afford the boat. A more responsible thing for him to have done is to realize this, and either sell or give her away while she was still afloat.

I completely missed this post...and I agree 100% with putting the responcibility where it belongs.

Well all I can say is as an excavation contractor and all the BS I have to go through working to keep a little stinking muddy water from entering a storm system that may or may not end up in a salmon stream...I sure am surprised at this acceptable way of boat removal...The Bahamas ?..well its there country they make the rules..A 4600 Manatawalk crane though could have slung that thing 100' in any direction..In one piece.

JohnRPollard · #**390** (**permalink**) 11-05-2009

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Originally Posted by Cruisingdad

Exactly - I taught Knot everything he knows!!! He's gotta be knowedgeable!!!

HEHE!

Brian

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