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aeisbren 03-20-2009 03:20 PM

U.S. navy: nuclear sub, ship collide in Strait of Hormuz
 
Yet another one, boy not a good year so far

U.S. navy: nuclear sub, ship collide in Strait of Hormuz

Freesail99 03-20-2009 03:36 PM

I posted the same thing about an hour ago.

Hesper 03-20-2009 04:44 PM

And of course, oil prices rose almost immediately after.

hellosailor 03-20-2009 04:46 PM

Both heading in the same direction, into port, sub fully submerged, no details. Hmmm....Sounds like the sub was trying to hold position under the ship in order to either sneak in under it, or shadow it without being detected.

That would be a conventional tactic--and danger situation. No news here.

Cruisingdad 03-20-2009 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hellosailor (Post 464527)
Both heading in the same direction, into port, sub fully submerged, no details. Hmmm....Sounds like the sub was trying to hold position under the ship in order to either sneak in under it, or shadow it without being detected.

That would be a conventional tactic--and danger situation. No news here.

I have heard about that before. THey do it all the time, especailly with tankers. Problem is that if you get too close, you can get sucked into the prop wash!! No doubt, that does not do much for your promotion chances!

- CD

RXBOT 03-20-2009 05:33 PM

Oil spill
 
How much is the fine for the oil spill?

Flybyknight 03-20-2009 05:44 PM

There go a couple of fine careers.

Dick

XTR 03-21-2009 11:20 AM

The New Orleans is an anphib ship has a shallow draft. I'm betting the Hartford was coming up to PD and the screw noise from the NO was masked by surface noise and they didn't hear them, that or the NO was doing something (like drifting) that caused them to have no sound signature. Not common for US vessels. There used to be some Russian boats that i swear they put out there to float around and get hit by US Subs

That's the only explanation that does not involve a serious FU by someone in conn/sonar on the Hartford.

Unless it was coordinated or the NO was someplace she was not supposed to be almost all of the fault is going to end up on the Captain of the Hartford, there will be a little saved for whomever was on the conn and Sonar.

nolatom 03-21-2009 12:51 PM

Round Two of March Madness, New Orleans over Hartford....;-)

hellosailor 03-21-2009 01:38 PM

Surface noise? What, the bubbleheads don't know how to use sonar anymore? Or look up?

Nah, the USN released a comment that the ships were conducting security operations of some vague sort at the time. Considering how loudly Iran has been talking about sinking infidel warships...I'm still betting the sub was intentionally hiding under the ship, using the sonar return from the ship to make the sub invisible, when someone cut things too close.

USAF uses the same tactic (blending two signatures) to move spy planes in "under" commercial aircraft. That's generally considered part of the reaosn why the Soviets shot down KAL007 some years ago, they knew that recon aircraft were playing similar games to enter their airspace.

Exactly what happened is operational intelligence and will never (ok, maybe in 30 years) be disclosed to the public. Even if the possibilities are limited and publicly known. And that's as it should be.

Gonna be another vacancy at the command level unless there was a major systems failure, though.


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