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Gave them provisions and let them go... WTF?

I saw a headline this weekend about the Norwegian tanker pirate attack. I assumed that the pirates who were caught in the act would be hung up by the short hairs by now, but nooooo.....

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There is currently no formal procedure for NATO personnel to follow once they have apprehended pirates, Davies noted. Their weapons are confiscated and they are then typically given provisions and released.
Since when do we apprehend pirates in the act of piracy, give them food and a pat on the bottom? No wonder they aren't worried about getting caught.

The whole article: New pirate attack thwarted in Gulf of Aden - CNN.com
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As opposed to released in the ocean without provisions? Would that be torture?
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No. As opposed to confiscating their vessel and using the money to pay for their transportation and incarceration.
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I heard from a non-reputable source that commercial ships are NOT ALLOWED to carry weapons.
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I heard from a non-reputable source that commercial ships are NOT ALLOWED to carry weapons.
Did you read the article? The attack was thwarted by a NATO (canadian) warship. Last I checked naval warships are allowed to carry weapons. I've heard that they even come equipped with a brig to incarcerate criminals. What a concept.
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Pirates are unbalanced.

We should all assist in the process of re-balancing them.

I recommend 180 grains of lead in the left ear.

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I strongly support provisioning and then releasing them.
The provisions being sugar in the gas tank.

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Ummm.. why are we letting them leave with their boat... Scuttling the boat should be a minimum... shooting them, if caught in an actual act of piracy, should also be a minimum. The pirates need to learn that piracy is NOT AN ACCEPTABLE WAY TO MAKE A LIVING.
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Piracy is a criminal act, not a military one. Some folks get confused because it is usually opposed by the world's Navies, not by some sort of seagoing police force. As good as it might make one feel, simply shooting the pirates would be the equivalent of vigilantism.

The applicable laws are those of the country whose military ship was involved, so long as the conflict occurs in international waters. Each ship must follow it's country's law. We here in the US really have not dealt seriously and systematically with pirates for nearly 200 years - then during the two Barbary Wars. Thus our laws are a bit archaic but are sufficiently robust that they should prove useful in the current conflict. They are, however, OUR laws. Canadian law is different. I, for one, shall be interested to see what the Canadian PM does about them.

For the most part, modern piracy always occurs (or at least worsens) in the presence of power vacuums (i.e. ineffective government). Such is the case now around the horn of Africa, and such was the case almost 200 years ago along the Barbary coast of Africa as the Ottoman Empire declined.

This stuff interests me for obvious reasons. I mention the information below in the hope that it might interest folks here too. To sample a little flavor of the history of piracy as seen from the US perspective without spending a long time reading, I recommend reading the "Barbary Wars" entry in Wikipedia. While there, also look up the entry for Captain William Bainbridge, USN. He featured prominently in the Barbary Wars. His namesake, the USS Bainbridge, was the USN ship involved in the current scuffle.

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Got no problem with provisions. A gallon of water and a swimming test NO PFD!!
If they make it , maybe they won't try it again. Luck only goes so far.

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