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Baby stay on my Scampi 30 - keep or ditch?

Hi All...

My new to me Scampi 30 (its 32 years old) came rigged with a baby stay. As far as I can tell, it is not original, and was retrofitted in at some point. I think this because the work is a little sloppy on the chain plate weld and also the cut in the deck is not terribly square.

The thing is a pain in the rear. It takes up a lot of space on the deck, the head sail fouls in it on every tack and I have not even tried the spinnaker yet. Last September people just kept tripping on it.

I finally took it off and the boat spent the winter with the mast up and no baby stay.

My question is, do I need it and, if not, is it worth the aggravation for the extra shaping it theoretically lets me do for the main? It occured to me as I was getting it ready for rebedding that I could just remove the chain plate and epoxy up the hole. Then i don't have a few inches of steel pocking up that can hurt someone.

Any comments would be appreciated, thanks!
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It may be there to prevent the mast from pumping, and if that is the case, you'll probably want to keep it.
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If a pair of stays are holding the mast from the front of the mast, it might be added later. But if all your stays are in line or at the back of your mast, it is original.
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You can set the babystay up as removable with a quick release fitting. leave the babystay secured near/at the base of the mast for general sailing, should you find yourself beating in a sea where the mast exhibits any pumping, put the babystay into use.
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I'll take a closer look at where the stays land. I do recall thre are two points on the deck where they land. Two stays come to one point and a third to the other (on each side of course).

What exactly does "pumping" mean?
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....What exactly does "pumping" mean?
Pumping..rythmic flexing, a tendency to repeatedly bend forward and then return to the steady position. You want to control pumping as you run the risk the pumping could get out of hand, i.e take the mast so far out-of-column that it collapses.
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Pumping..rythmic flexing, a tendency to repeatedly bend forward and then return to the steady position. You want to control pumping as you run the risk the pumping could get out of hand, i.e take the mast so far out-of-column that it collapses.
Is this something that is very obvious? Is it just an upwind thing?
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It also leads to the mast fatiguing from the cycle of flexing... and that leads to the mast failing.
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Pumping..rythmic flexing, a tendency to repeatedly bend forward and then return to the steady position. You want to control pumping as you run the risk the pumping could get out of hand, i.e take the mast so far out-of-column that it collapses.
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Is this something that is very obvious? Is it just an upwind thing?
Pumping would be obvious if you sight up the mast, not necessarily so from the cockpit. I believe that it is only an upwind situation, as the boat doesn't usually pound on other points of sail.
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Baby Stays = Another use

I have not heard of baby stays in any other context other than their use with trailerable sailboats like mine.
When trailering, the mast is carried along the length of the boat from bow to stern, at the launch ramp the mast is raised. Here is when Baby Stays come into play. I use a mast raising brake winch to raise the mast up, the mast is hinged at the base and the winch is on a gin pole which is secured by one end on the bow cleat and the other connected to a bail on the mast and I winch it up with the brake winch. The Baby Stays are connected to prevent the mast from swinging either to port or to starboard while raising the mast so that the mast base does not get twisted from 30' of mast torque twisting it. Once the mast is raised and pinned in place it is safe to remove the Baby Stays. I find they getin my way when up on the deck so I always remove them, but I know of several others who are a bit shorter than me that pass under them effortlessly so are not a hazard but moreso, an extra grab hold when on deck for them. The shrouds, if tightened to specs (as mine are)prevent any undue pumping that could take place so mast pumping is not an issue in my case. I am not familiar with your boat and set-up but I thought I might shed another perspective on the purpose of Baby Stays.
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