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Exclamation Dana Point Marina Slip/Shipyard Reduction - Help Needed!

Loss of Dry Boat Storage, Boater Slips, Trailer/Tow Vehicle Parking, Dedicated Boater Parking and Accessible Shipyard Space is a HUGE and
IMMEDIATE Boater Problem.

I ask for YOUR immediate help in OPPOSING an impending great loss in Wet Slip, Dry Boat Storage, Trailer Tow/Vehicle Parking, Dedicated Boater Parking and Shipyard Space at a wonderful Harbor. Dana Point Harbor (Dana Point Harbor - Dana Point, CA) is PUBLICLY owned and has 2409 wet and additional 683 trailer/dry boat storage spaces. Strategically located between LA and San Diego, Dana Point Harbor has always been a SAFE and RELIABLE place to stop in and visit or make needful repairs.

An impending "Dana Point Harbor Modernization" plan will have a hearing before the California Coastal Commission on Thursday, June 11, in Marina Del Rey. "Harbor Modernization" sounds great - but the proposed plan may have unintended consequences:



1 - Dedicated boater parking may move up to 1,000 feet away from the docks: A nice hike to haul your Gear!


2 - Dana Point Shipyard may be stripped by 1 acre in favor of a "Festival Plaza". Thousands of resident and visiting boaters may need to take their boat 25 offshore miles - to Newport Harbor - when needed critical repair or normal maintenance is required. Aside from potentially increased consumption of hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel, there are strong adverse impacts on safety and boat maintenance:
- If a boat needs critical maintenance - is there increased safety risk with a 25 mile offshore jaunt to a shipyard?
- It will be more difficult to maintain a boat, therefore the average person's boat may be in a more "run down" condition.


3 -Will there be room to replace the existing 683 dry boat storage locations in the "Commercial Core"? There is no spelled out provision and the expectation is that 100’s of additional boats will have to leave the harbor.


4 - With 477 net slips to be eliminated, the CCC Staff recognizes that perhaps 1,100 boats will likely have to come out of the water. The proposed Land Use Plan attempts to protect these boaters with the same land that in all likelihood is not enough to protect existing dry boat storage: can't have two boats in the same space. (see item 3 above).


5 - Trailer Boater Tow Vehicle Parking Areas: Fewer and smaller spaces with a parking garage in the middle.


6 - No new Yacht or Boating Clubs allowed - EVER!!!! - in Dana Point Harbor. Our Yacht and Boating Clubs have been awesome citizens in the Harbor. Why this exclusion in favor of yet undetermined retail or restaurant space? Do we NEED more shops selling "Cheap Trinkets" which are soon to be landfill fodder along with their packaging?


7 - Parking is now and will continue to be a serious harbor concern. Harvesting boater parking as the "main solution" will not help the massive commercial expansion. In the East Commercial Cove alone - dedicated boater parking will be reduced 60%. Going back to #1, you better be prepared to HIKE - "IF" you can find a space. Creative parking methods of dual use or time of day use are not on the platter.
Note: Slip fee increases: do the math. a reduction of possibly 1100 boats means that "costs" must be picked up by remaining boaters. Prepare for steep increases in fees.
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To help:

1 - Stand up and AGREE with the California Coastal Commission staff.
Boater resources have to be protected within the harbor and not be banished to some "distant location". Simply putting boat storage facilities somewhere on South Coast Water District Rate Payer's Land is not ACCEPTABLE MITIGATION for the City and County's attempt to build stores and restaurants where boaters operate today. Off site boat storage is NOT the same as a SLIP or in harbor surface storage.

2 - Since TIME IS SHORT -> WRITE A LETTER and email or fax it before this THURSDAY HEARING.
Send it to (please send a carbon copy to Bruceheyman”@”cox.net (fax: (949) 489-8352)) so that it can be included in the package for the Commissioners:
Bonnie Neely ==> bonnie.neely"@"co.humbolt.ca.us
Teresa Henry ==> thenry"@"
coastal.ca.gov
Fernie Sy ==> fsy"@"coastal.ca.gov
Bruce Heyman ==> bruceheyman"@"
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California Coastal Commission: Headquarters FAX: (415) 904-5400 / South Coast FAX: (562) 590-5084
(for email contact - remove QUOTES ( " ) from the given email address)
Bruce (949) 289-8400 will be at the meeting along with boaters throughout southern California, along with members of Boaters for Dana Point Harbor and Dana Point Boaters Association.


3 - If possible, attend the MEETING YOURSELF - and SPEAK up. It does matter - and has PROVEN to be effective.
What happens at Dana Point Harbor can - and likely will - happen up and down the West Coast...

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So - why is YOUR assistance needed NOW?
1. What happens at Dana Point Harbor will set a very dangerous president that will be used by Harbor Directors up and down the coast to be able to put developments in place of recreational boating resources. We need to make a really concerted effort to get this stopped next week. The Marina Management Company also manages OTHER Marinas and yet OTHER Marinas can (and have in the past) used actions such as this as precedence: What happens here may ripple up and down the coat.


2. Our Harbor Director has sent out letters to various marine organizations asking for letters to be sent to the California Coastal Commission. This request is for support to “Modernize" our harbor. Our Harbor Director will be using these support letters in FAVOR of the "Modernization plan" in his presentation next week. The true implications of the LUP, however, are not obvious without a careful reading.
3. Boaters who speak up CAN HAVE A POWERFUL EFFECT: REALLY!!! Previously, the Dana Point Boaters Association (DPBA) had a profound effect mobilizing harbor boaters in opposition against "Possessory Interest Tax". It was successful.


The Boaters for Dana Point Harbor and the DPBA are in agreement with the California Coastal Commission Staff in that we need to protect the recreational boating resources. WE REALLY need your help to make the case for Boaters - as this Harbor "Modernization" comes up for consideration.

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ADDITIONAL RESOURCES:
www.boaters4dph.com
www.danapointboaters.org

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California Coastal Commission - June 10-12 Meeting

The most important day to be at the California Coastal Commission Hearing is Thursday (June 11) for item 22.5a. However if you can be there on Wednesday then you would have an opportunity to speak to the commission during the public comment period. There are lots of issues that can be brought up.

California Coastal Commission Meeting

June 10-12, 9:00 am - 5:00 pm
Marina Del Rey
LA/OC (South Coast Area) "Marina Del Rey Hotel:
13534 Bali Way
Marina del Rey, CA 90292


Dana Point Harbor Marina Development Plan ( LCPA-DPT-1-08) has been agendized at these hearings. The hearing date for item 22.5a is scheduled for June 11, 2009 starting at 8:00AM (exact time of agenda item #22.5 is not certain).
It is very difficult to predict exactly what the hearing time for item 22.5a will be. Typically there are lots of items moved to the consent calendar or postponed. We won’t know those items till the actual morning of the hearing. I would be surprised if the Dana Point Marina Development topic would occur before lunch. Traditionally, they have never broken for lunch before 12:00 but have gone as late as 1:30.
At this point the best thing to do with the letters is to get them heading to Madam Chair Neely, Teresa Henry (CCC staff in long beach) and a copy to Bryce Heyman. That way Bruce can make sure a copy of the letter is included in the packet.
1 - California Coastal Commission Meeting Announcement:
California Coastal Commission June 2009 Meeting Agenda
2 - Contacts for the Marina Del Rey Meeting:
Madam Chair - Bonnie Neely ==> bonnie.neely"@"co.humbolt.ca.us
District Manager - Teresa Henry ==> thenry"@"coastal.ca.gov
Fernie Sy ==> fsy"@"coastal.ca.gov

Bruce Heyman è bruceheyman”@”Welcome to Cox.net
(to contact - remove QUOTES ( " ) from the given email address)



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Interested in the going forward Harbor Finances?
The following meeting is no longer a workshop – it is now open for public comment, and will last the entire County Board Of Supervisors Meeting. This coming Wednesday is for public comment to adopt this fiscal budget:
Orange County Board of Supervisors:

1. (All information listed on CBOS Left-hand NAV Menu Bar):
http://egov.ocgov.com/ocgov/Government/Board of Supervisors
2. Link to leave your CBOS opinion http://egov.ocgov.com/ocgov/Government/Board of Supervisors/Voice Your Opinion Online

3. Online Comments/Opinions Link (limited to 250 characters):
Comment Main frame

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Dana Point harbor boaters MORE than pull their weight. According to a study, Dana Point boaters bring in 70% of the harbor revenue and 79% of the profit. Boater fees are an extremely profitable revenue source for the harbor community.

We need your help to keep our Harbor on the Right Track.... So please come to the meeting, send an email, or a fax today!


--Jerry Robinson
Boat Owner at Dana Point Harbor
(Columbia 28 MK II )



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this just shows how stupid and short-sighted government can be.
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Well....

This time the Harbor boaters associations AGREE with the California Coastal Commission. The MARINA Operator and City of Dana Point, of course, want a lot more RETAIL space - but at the expense of boaters.

People can
- email the Commision
- or fax them...
- or GO TO THE MEETING and

It can make a difference. COMMENTING DID make a difference on the "Possessory Tax" issue - a Boaters got a refund...

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We all can write on a forum - for just a minute's time - send something to the Commission Staff... It will help...

--jerry
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As a former resident of Dana Point Harbor I would love to help but since I no longer live in California I don't know if anything I do would carry any weight. If I'm wrong please let me know.
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Send an email -
Bonnie Neely ==> bonnie.neely"@"co.humbolt.ca.us
Teresa Henry ==> thenry"@"
coastal.ca.gov
Fernie Sy ==> fsy"@"coastal.ca.gov
Bruce Heyman ==> bruceheyman"@"
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and Send a PDF'd Letter...

It will make a big difference...

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I attached WAY TOO MUCH information on my post... SORRY... but If wanted Folks wanted more detail - then I wanted the links there....

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IF PEOPLE CAN SEND EMAIL AND LETTERS - it DOES make a difference. This has BEEN CLEARLY demonstrated in harbor recently.

thanks..
---jerry
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I've loved that area, surfed there in the 60's, I use to dive in the cove before the marina and was a slip resident there for a couple years (West basin B & C docks)and I'm kinda getting a weird vibe on this topic.

From what I under stood when we were there; nothing is set in stone yet, they have or will have 5 or 6 alternate slip layouts, right now there's 2400 slip with a average size of 29 ft, all the alt. are any where from a 30 slip increase to a 340 slip decrease and keeping the average slip size between 29-33', I also understood that the current slip holders would not be evicted, they may however have to deal with a temporary relocation at some point & time, I understood that when the time came, that when slips were vacated they simply would not be re-released.

Based on the conceptual drawings I've seen a lot of what you've said sounds exaggerated and some of what they propose will actually benefit most weekend boaters ie: enclosed boat storage, the surface boat storgage area ( which will be utilized but the boatyard ) As far as walking a 1000 ft with gear ??, most people load their gear before launching so I don't get that.

I understand I'm not 100% up to speed on this but, that marina and surrounding facilities are pushing 40yrs old, alot has changed in boating population and the surrounding community as you curtainly know and the current setup can need not meet demands on it.

Tell me were I'm wrong so I can better understand the issues now
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Dana Point is beautiful.
The beauty is why people come there increasing the shopping is not why people go there. Remove the marina and what is the point of having the shops people will go to the next beautiful marina.
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They're not removing the marina at best they'll add 30 slips, at worst they'llreduce them 300+, but not for retail buildings, they'll be reduced in the number of small slips and add to the number of larger slips.

When you have a 3 month waiting list on slips 30 and under and a waiting list of 17 yrs on slips 35 and over, then it's time to rethink the layout.

As far as retail, I don't think that increases by much if any, the whole thing looks like a revised plot plan to allow better parking, smarter paths of travel and a over all better appearence, like I said the place is pushing 40 yrs and it shows
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I've loved that area, surfed there in the 60's, I use to dive in the cove before the marina and was a slip resident there for a couple years (West basin B & C docks)and I'm kinda getting a weird vibe on this topic.
Surfed there during the 60's huh...man, you're getting to be an old fart!...like me.
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