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weephee 08-01-2009 01:04 PM

Eye Splicing
 
Does anyone out there have instructions on how to eye splice a 3/8 inch polyester line rope with a weaved center core. Thanks

knothead 08-01-2009 01:19 PM

Here are the New England Ropes splicing instructions.

http://www.neropes.com/Resources/84906_NEROPE.pdf

Selkirk 08-02-2009 12:26 PM

I have been splicing the line you describe for years, but I don't use a conventional method. Here goes:

Make a loop the size you need. Lay the bitter end alongside the standing end.

Use whipping thread and needle and run the whipping thread through the center of both lines. Use several passes so that they do not move, and make the attachment point where the "Y" of the splice will be.

Then begin making a series of figure 8 loops around both lines. Make each loop very tight, and very close to its predecessor. Tight! I use gloves and a tool of some sort, like a screwdriver handle, to wrap my twine around so I can pull it tight.

Then finish your work just as you would as if you had whipped a line end.

My splices look neat and I have never had one fail.

weephee 08-02-2009 01:57 PM

Eye Splicing
 
Thank you gentlemen for the replies. I have ordered a set of fids to try the first method given to me by Knothead and I will try the 2nd method by Selkirk. I appreciate your help

weephee

bheintz 08-02-2009 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selkirk (Post 510422)
I have been splicing the line you describe for years, but I don't use a conventional method.
. . .
My splices look neat and I have never had one fail.

Interesting, I'd be interested to see a photo of a completed splice. It sounds similar to some the the slices I've seen for Paraloc™ lines.
http://www.mamutec.com/sailing/pics/products/ev_1.jpg
Do you do anything special to protect the whipping?

knothead 08-03-2009 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selkirk (Post 510422)
I have been splicing the line you describe for years, but I don't use a conventional method. Here goes:

Make a loop the size you need. Lay the bitter end alongside the standing end.

Use whipping thread and needle and run the whipping thread through the center of both lines. Use several passes so that they do not move, and make the attachment point where the "Y" of the splice will be.

Then begin making a series of figure 8 loops around both lines. Make each loop very tight, and very close to its predecessor. Tight! I use gloves and a tool of some sort, like a screwdriver handle, to wrap my twine around so I can pull it tight.

Then finish your work just as you would as if you had whipped a line end.

My splices look neat and I have never had one fail.


You are describing a seizing not a splice.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Selkirk 08-04-2009 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knothead (Post 510616)
You are describing a seizing not a splice.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I guess it is sort of a seizing procedure. The figure eight that I use works just like Chinese handcuffs. Gotta make it TIGHT, now.

Quote:

Do you do anything special to protect the whipping?
I have tried a couple of things, but my favorite is beeswax applied liberally to the whipped area and then melted into the whipping with a small flame. I used to wrap it with tape, but I really like to be able to see the splice - just feel like I know what's going on, Ya know?

The finished product does look very similar to the Paraloc photo...............(Man, I gotta get me sumathat pink thread!):)

Crapaud 08-23-2009 11:30 AM

Attached is a link that I found that has three different methods to make an eye splice with a double braid rope. I tried the Sampson instructions and became overwhelmed with the [pull the core thru mark X then thread thru mark T and insert core Z into mark II. . . ] . I managed to complete the "Norson" splice twice, but it requires a lot of muscle to milk all the spliced core into the cover. Mr. Norson also has some good tips that Sampson does not mention in their instructions with regards to the core/cover start-up lengths that was a big help.

The "Norson Double" Eye Splice

If anyone knows of a better way or can prove that the Norson Splice is not a good method -- please let me know. The self satisfaction and taste of the beer after completing a splice is well worth the sweet and strain, but I really want to know that my work is sound and secure.

jephotog 08-23-2009 11:54 AM

Suggested reading
 
I have a few books that I used to learn this technique.

At the time I learned how to do some splicing I had the "Marlinspike Sailor" by Hervey Garrett Smith. This is a very old school book more focused on decorative rope work more appropriate for wooden boats and such but has info on splicing techniques for twisted rope or braided which was new-fangled stuff when the book was written.

Also "the Complete Riggers Apprentice" by Brion Toss has details about most every need you can think of for rigging including a lot of different splicing techniques.

Have fun learning a new skill.

Crapaud 08-23-2009 12:57 PM

Thanks for the recommendations. I have a few knot handbooks, but am disappointed with their details - especially the whipping and splicing of double braid and other non-three strand ropes.

My question after looking at the two books you recommended on line. Is The Marlinspike Sailor needed with the Rigger's Apprentice or is Rigger's App. all encompassing?

Thanks again for the advice,

John


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