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Old 08-22-2009
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There is a great article on the B40 in this month's Good Old Boat. A gorgeous boat, and very expensive, even when 40+ years old.

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My other inclinations are the Cabo Rico 38 or Caliber 40, the latter for the reduced maintenance. These two seem sound, but half the Hinckley cost, which is why I wonder how Hinckley can really be worth the extra money.
A Rolls-Royce costs a lot more than a Ford Crown Victoria. Both carry the same number of passengers, have similar performance (the Ford, at least, with the police interceptor engine), and are about equally reliable.

How can the Rolls be worth the extra money? Same idea as why a Hinckley is worth more than a production cruiser. Hinckleys are one-off, with hand-built interiors to the buyer's specification, finished to the highest standards. That costs money and is reflected in the price.

Whether or not those kind of differences are valuable to you is a personal decision. If you're looking for seaworthiness, seakindliness, ease of handling, etc., for ocean crossings, the differences between the boats you listed aren't a function of price. Bob Perry offers a consultation service in which he'll provide advice as a naval architect (Disclamer: no affiliation, etc.). This might help provide some objective data to sort out the differences between boats with respect to your needs.

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Have a look at this thread in the boatbuying forum. Jeff_H is providing great advice, as aways.

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I think the OP should go for the Hinkley 42. Why stop there, go bigger and fancier. So you bounce off the docks a bit or run aground a few times learning. So what, it's only money. First class yards can fix it like new.

Of course, all this assumes that the OP really has that kind of money.

And all that nonsense about learning...don't worry about it. Learn as you go. Your paid captain can teach you all you need to know. Just a bit more money.
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Tx Gramp34 for your feedback. As a car lover I know why the Ford costs less than the Rolls. It is those particulars I seek in regards the Hinckley. Is the fiberglass of better quality. Is the hull better attached to the deck. Is the mast better secured. Is the hull more water resistant. As far as design, the hull entry and proportions to the Shannon, CR and Caliber seem similar. I think I will take your advice re Bob Perry. Tx again. NCC320- why the sarcasm? I sincerely wish to learn.
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Charlie,
I can tell where the sarcasm comes from.
please don't take offense.
it stems from the thousands of people that look for "the dream" throw a pail full of money on a HR/Shannon/Valiant/Hinkley/Amel and while they may be well read, have NO practical experience from whence they speak.
Who knows at this point what the right boat for you is? Certainly you've taken a first step.
Now, you need to learn what questions to ask and why they may be relevant to your search.

Just like when you were RV'ing, how would you have answered the "which is better the Dutch Star or an MCI?" question.

Just a couple of responses to the questions posed above...

Is the fiberglass of better quality.

huh? glass is glass, what matters is the layup. Oh, don't get all wonky about the different "-esters" or CF, they're all going to last 40 years. Remember, thicker isn't always better, just thicker.

Is the hull better attached to the deck.


Than what, others of the same breed? What matters here is the strength and type of joint, as well as the attachments. When you get to the level you're looking at, there is no inherent difference, just marketing hype.

Is the mast better secured?

Again, better than what? Better than a Hunter unstayed or a Choey Lee?
3 Chainplates a side or two, kinda like prunes, are 3 enough and 6 too many...

Is the hull more water resistant.
Alas, one might want to look at cockpit drainage rather than hull porosity.

then of course, you got full, fin, modified fin, wing, board keels to consider, power, water & fuel cap. Cabin layout? Sail plan? Ability to singlehand/shorthand? Gensets? propane or diesel? Quick reefing? oh geez, I'm getting a headache, I need a nap.
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Lots of varnishing, small and crampted inside for 42 foot boat. Not paricularly fast.
If I said no, it wouldn't be for any of these reasons. It is a beautiful, sweet-sailing and extraordinarily built boat. But I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense as a first boat.
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Late to the party. I actually own a Hinckley SW-42, which I cruise for 2+ months each season. A few points:

Yes, the hull is actually attached to the boat better than others. Any others. There is no other manufacturer I am aware of which does a similar hull to deck joint. In terms of overall construction quality, there are a few which deserve to be mentioned in the same breath - Lyman-Morse, Morris, Pacific Seacraft, etc., but only a few. Sure, glass is glass, but Hinckley has traditionally used the most expensive resins and cloths, and their glass work is superior. If you don't believe, come crawl through the unfinished spaces of my boat and see for yourself. The interior fit and finish is lovely.

The SW-42 sails beautifully. She is faster than you think, but not a race boat. She has no bad habits, and balances beautifully. I go offshore with my wife and young son on a regular basis. She is old-school, with proper sea-berths with lee-cloths. She does not pound, and has a comfortable motion. She does not get stuffy at anchor, thanks to the large dorades. She is well ventilated. Every bunk has proper reading lights, the galley is wonderful at anchor or offshore.

She sails well and points well upwind, and does not overpower easily. The cockpit is large and comfortable. She is an excellent boat for daysailing, weekending, or extended cruising, but is also a safe, solid offshore boat.

Does it sound like I love my boat? It should, and I do. I never look at another boat with envy. She looks the way I think a boat should look, sails the way I think a boat should sail, and is built the way I think a boat should be built. I have never regretted for a moment spending the extra money to own this boat.

She does have one, significant drawback: She is expensive. Otherwise, everyone would own one. The varnish bills are not insignificant, put most of the boats come with covers for the major brightwork pieces, so 1-2 coats per year keeps the boat looking spectacular. She is my personal harbor beautification project.

That said, she is a family cruiser, not a museum piece. We were aboard for 8 weeks this summer with no gear or mechanical failures. The deck hardware is oversized, everything is rock solid and properly done. The installations are well done. My water tanks are 316L stainless, my fuel tank is Monel. You simply wouldn't believe the engine bed. I'm an engineer, and I appreciate things done right.

At $300K for a well maintained used boat, I think these are a pretty good deal, if you can stomach the ongoing maintenance.A new one would cost around $1 million, and would be the same hull. $300K is less than a Morris M36, and less than many new boats which are far less well made and less capable.

Remember, these are all custom boats, no two are the same. Make sure you like the layout of the one you're looking at. For the most part, owners take very good care of these boats. Any deficiencies in maintenance detract significantly from value, and should show up in a good survey.

If you want more info, or insight in specific aspects of the boat, send me a private message. I just finished 8 weeks aboard, and will be coming back to New England next week to sail her back to Maine for winter storage.




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sahara,

I'm sold. Now I just need to come up with the $$.
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sahara - that is drop dead gorgeous. Phenomenal boat, dude. Congrats.
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