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I would raither have her solo around the world then hang out on the streets doing drugs, etc., and end doing porn....
Out there far away from the modern world would be a safe place for today's youths.

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Guys this is the age of freeze dried food GPS and Sat phones. If I could only get my dog to watch a chartplotter I wouldnt need an autopilot. The big question is this girl going away from her friends for 2 yrs on her dreams or Mom and Dads?

Who wants to bet the phone bills going to cost more than the boat?

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I was originally in favour of letting young kids attempt these record breaking trips...

I think that the truth of the matter is that these are commercial endeavors... kids shouldn;t have to go out and make money at this age.

If this keeps up one of these kids will die.

I know the streets are dangerous but trying to break records on the ocean is much more dangerous.

Whether the government outlaws this or not is not the question...I suggest that we as community should not support this.

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I would raither have her solo around the world then hang out on the streets doing drugs, etc., and end doing porn....
Out there far away from the modern world would be a safe place for today's youths.
Ummm..... how about a middle ground there...? It's not black and white and if your kid is doing the things you stated above it's because you've failed miserably as a parent and "opting" for a life threatening trip isn't the most logical option.

The point is a healthy, apparently stable kid is being sent (let go) out onto the ocean, alone, for nearly a year because she has apparently convinced herself she needs to do it first. Why? Who knows... but any parent that would willingly send their kids on this type of trip with the KNOWN dangers involved really needs to get their head examined. This has nothing at all to do with discovery, self reflection, nor adventure - it's about becoming a "star". That's entirely the wrong way to go about it at that age because the kid doesn't have enough indepdence (emotionally, materially) to make her own mind once things are put in motion.
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And lastly whether I think it is a good idea or folks on sailnet think it is a good idea, or the government thinks it's a good idea, should not matter a lick whether or not she proceeds. It should be whether she and her parent's think it is a good idea. There has to be a pretty remarkable reason to usurp parental responsibility, and treating a remarkably capable 14 year old as if she is a remarkably capable 14 year old does not come close to giving the government cause to intervene.

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Your last comment holds in the event that both the parents and the child have retained a modicum of lucidity - in this case it is crystal clear that they have not because you DO NOT send a child out there, no matter how responsible they may be, when there is a 1 in 3 chance they die alone.

Flip a coin to see if your own kid dies tomorrow because as a parent you've created this project that has taken over her young life....

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Let's look at another sport; motorcycle racing. They typically start racing at 4 or 5 and the good ones are racing in the top classes by their 20's, the exceptional ones in their early teens. There is even a new class of road racing where 12 year olds can compete. When Freddy Spencer (one of our best) was a young road racer he always started at the back of the grid, no matter where he qulaified in practice. Why? 'Cause he couldn't hold the motorcycle up, he was too small, his dad had to stand on the grid and hold the bike up for him at the start, so he always started in the back ..... usually won anyway .... racing against men not other kids.

Some people think this is wrong. One Massachusetts offical even sent the cops out to a motocross track and they threatened to arrest any parent who allowed their child (under 16) to race. They eventually lost the lawsuit but they did stop the race.

Other's see this as the natural breeding grounds for future champions.

This girl's young life seems to be a breeding ground for a champion sailor. She's probably better equiped (mentaly and physicaly) than most.

1 in 3 chance she'll die?????? Where'd you get that?

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Ummm..... how about a middle ground there...? It's not black and white and if your kid is doing the things you stated above it's because you've failed miserably as a parent and "opting" for a life threatening trip isn't the most logical option.

The point is a healthy, apparently stable kid is being sent (let go) out onto the ocean, alone, for nearly a year because she has apparently convinced herself she needs to do it first. Why? Who knows... but any parent that would willingly send their kids on this type of trip with the KNOWN dangers involved really needs to get their head examined. This has nothing at all to do with discovery, self reflection, nor adventure - it's about becoming a "star". That's entirely the wrong way to go about it at that age because the kid doesn't have enough indepdence (emotionally, materially) to make her own mind once things are put in motion.
I have worked on the Ocean all of my adult life. Never have considered it to be a life threatening vocation. Going solo these days around the world with the quality of the boats and the on board equipage today isn't very life threatening. Now if it was in the days of the nineteenth century then I would worry for her.
The problem with today's society is that they want to wrap you in cotton wool and bubble wrap and not allow you to do anything that the cowardly worrywarts consider dangerous. Those government officals have and will not ever do anything that might cause them to break a finger nail let alone skateboard in the park.

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I have worked on the Ocean all of my adult life. Never have considered it to be a life threatening vocation. Going solo these days around the world with the quality of the boats and the on board equipage today isn't very life threatening. Now if it was in the days of the nineteenth century then I would worry for her.
The problem with today's society is that they want to wrap you in cotton wool and bubble wrap and not allow you to do anything that the cowardly worrywarts consider dangerous. Those government officals have and will not ever do anything that might cause them to break a finger nail let alone skateboard in the park.
I'm surprised to read this, Boasun. I respect your opinion, and I would fully expect you to say that society is too soft, but I'm surprised to hear you say that the ocean isn't that dangerous.

What are you pretending not to know ?

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