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I think it is possible that the dad was just SUPPORTING his daughter's dream. The court said NO but stood by him as a dad. I am sorry but I do/will stand my kids. If they said they could do something great and I could stand behind them and believe in them that is a great thing.

I disagree with the fascination and focus on how the dad is probably nuts...we need to stand by our kids more and that is what I believe could be the theme of this story... although I have no idea what the situation really is, and how could I through a couple of media reports.

Oh and yes, homeschooling can be awesome, I have met MANY well balanced well educated kids who were home-schooled.
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Children are not the property of their parents. They do not have absolute rights over them, nor should they. They are entrusted to look after their best interests and to keep them safe above all else. Parental rights are not limitless in any society that I am aware of although I'm sure there are exceptions. We don't let kids smoke or drink alcohol legally despite what parents have to say. Even in the US, are parental rights limited when such questions arise. I would propose that sailing solo around the world is likely more hazardous to the health, or at least potentially so, than either smoking or drinking. When it looks like parents may not be fulfilling their obligations to the child to keep them safe, I think that is perfectly within the rights of the state to intervene. In this case the Dutch court has not said "no", they have said "whoa...lets take a step back and review the situation". They are acting more as advocates for a child that may not have the maturity or judgement to advocate for herself..or maybe she does, that is what the court is trying to determine. It would be difficult to advocate once this girl is already alone on the high seas.
Somebody else brought up another good point, the seas are only one danger, what about the ports that this girl will visit? How safe are they?
It seems to me as well that there are definite cultural views that color how one views this situation. Americans as a whole seem to be a lot more sensitive to governments infringing on what they perceive as rights and freedoms. That is not intended as a criticism , just an observation. Those of us that live in "socialist" countries like Canada seem much more willing to accept limits to certain freedoms if it is for the perceived "greater good". Gun control is one example of that (not to open another debate).
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I have to agree with RandyBC. You don't make rules that are geared to only the exceptional people. Jut because one 13 year old girl may be able to do it shouldn't mean all should be allowed. I know know one has suggested all should be lowed but rules have to do their best to support the majority not the minority.

I know the slippery slope argument is a bad one but what if the girl really wanted to go into prostitution and here dad supported it. If the government intervened would we be crying for her freedom or here parents rights to do with their kids as they pleas. I don't think so.

Rules are intended to serve the collective greater good. They fail all the time but the alternative is much worse. We just have strike a fare balance. That tends to change country to country and person to person.

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Sorry, but I just don't get it. What price do you put on fleeting fame? Any 13 year old is still a child. Given good weather I believe just about any 13 year old with the proper sailing training could make a go at this. But this isn't about good weather. This is about a 13 year old child handling worst case scenarios at sea and in port. As for sexism, I believe it is as irresponsible for a parent to let any child, boy or girl, take that kind of life-threatening risk.

For those that suggest that children be able to make such decisions, do you anticipate 13 year old fire fighters? They probably have the ability to drive a truck, and they really, really want to be a fire-person! A single-hander at sea has all of the risks a firefighter has, only without the support of their fellow firefighters.

Heck, let's put children back in factorys. They could earn records for being the youngest kids in heavy manufacturing. So we lose some children from time to time, that's just the cost of setting records isn't is?

Like I said, it just doesn't make sense to me....
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Too many people here seem to have a wanton careless attitude about child care predicated upon the old argument about government intervention and some perception a parent knows how to bring up their kids. BS!

There are the same helpless irresponsible parents who depend on laws to prevent their kids from driving a car, buying alcohol or cigarettes, etc.
because the parents are incapable of doing their job.
There are far too many parents who shouldn't be!

Until these people can effectively nurture their children, someone else will have to do it. Any rightfully so.
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Precisely....governments have a right to intervene on behalf of a child whose parents wont.
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My 13 yr old daughter saw this story and asked some good questions:
Can her parents visit her in ports along the way?
Will she have a radio to call for help with?
Can she quit if she wants to?
If something breaks and she doesn't know how to fix it, can she radio for help fixing it?
How long is the longest passage between ports?
What's the longest passage she has done already?
and a few others.

Her bottom line was "I wouldn't want to, but if she knows what she's getting into and wants to go, they should let her." She also pointed out that many kids' lifestyles contain more real dangers than Laura will likely face. Personally I think some 13 yr olds have a lot more sense than a lot of adults I know.
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"Until these people can effectively nurture their children, someone else will have to do it. "

Very kind to the children, but a bit cruel to the gene pool, isn't that?

You're sure it is a good idea to put an end to Darwinian evolution and replace it with "survival of all" ? And everything that comes with "all" running things?
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Her bottom line was "I wouldn't want to, but if she knows what she's getting into and wants to go, they should let her." Personally I think some 13 yr olds have a lot more sense than a lot of adults I know.
The bigger bottom line is she, being 13, can't conceivably "know what she is getting into" and at least one of her parents apparently realizes that.

No matter how much "sense" a child may have, he/she is still a child. When many otherwise intelligent and ostensibly experienced adults can't do this, thinking ANY child can is simply delusional.
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