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post #21 of 35 Old 09-15-2009
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Dwayne- not to take away from your long trip but the key word was "summer" My avatar pic adequately explains my feelings on the subject, at least for this part of the world. When it's raining so hard you can barely see, or it's cold enough to have ice on the deck it's pretty nice to be inside where it's dry and warm. Once in a while ( ) we will get a few days of rain here in the PNW, even during summer, if you are anchored somewhere with a boat load of kids I bet that "extra" room is worth a lot more than it cost.

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I really did not want to start something this"heated"...lol.there are lots of views on this subject and all have meaning.I am a little concerned about windage as i have been knocked down with no sails up.Forward view is a little compromised but with rain in face i cant see either.only issue is now boom cant swing because it is lower than Bimini and section between it and dodger will inter-fear.either have to raise boom or lower center window when i tack.Raising boom would seem to mess upsail shape i think.
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Don't understand the last post. Why would the boom be between dodger and bimini?

On my boat everything is on top. Sides roll up or detach. This was shot in Hope Town, Bahamas. It rained a little most every day, so we had them rolled up, but ready to drop.



Since my bout with skin cancer, we leave the bimini up and usually have the connector in place. If the wx is going to be nice, we detach and stow the sides.

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i have rear cockpit and boom extends to edge of Bimini(over top of dodger but short of Bimini) so if you are standing at wheel u look through opening of Bimini and over dodger and at back end of boom.
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Sailboat vs sailable boat

I guess it all boils down, to me, to whether you are going to sail your boat and have one really capable of sailing or are you going to motor most of the time because the weather just isn't perfect and you don't want to get that new do wet? Again, sailing is an outdoor activity. I want to be outdoors when I do it and being enclosed just would take most of the enjoyment out of it. And yes, I've sailed in most all kinds of weather and yes, some of it just wasn't fun, at the time, but in looking back I wouldn't trade it for anything!

If on the other hand you own a boat that has sails but looks and acts more like a power boat, then go ahead and enclose yourself and go the rest of the way.


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Lots of interesting comment here and I guess at the end of it all it depends on the kibd of use you expect to get from your boat.

Faster - how does your dodger work for you in the rain on a downwind course?

Captkermie - Your avatar suggests you're a big fella but my enclosure in 2.5 metres wide and 3 metres long. It's bigger than most salons. I have plenty of place to do what has to be done.

Dwayne - so you have an exciting sail in a nice 20 knt wind with the odd spume blowing up - real adventurous - the essence of sailing - then you get to the anchorage where you're going to spend the night. Do you have to spend the night down below? Or do you just sit and sip your wine in the wind? Oh, and I only motor when the weather is "perfect" i.e. no wind.

The other thing that is evident in a few of the posts is that the debate is not really about long distance sailing. It's OK to sail in 20 knots with the odd salt wash coming aboard into your face. And your $1m weather gear offers good protection. For the first hour, Or day? Or the next three days. But what about for the first week?

No, maybe I'm just past being the hero. I want to sail warm and dry. Being cold and wet adds nothing to my experience. If I wanted that I'd stand under a cold shower in my back yard and save a fortune.


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Omatako said- "No, maybe I'm just past being the hero. I want to sail warm and dry. Being cold and wet adds nothing to my experience. If I wanted that I'd stand under a cold shower in my back yard and save a fortune. "

Couldn't have said it better myself, I agree completely.

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A long time ago I sailed from Hawaii to California in an open cockpit 28' tri with two other guys, on a passage that took us 25 days during the month of May. None of us were really prepared clothes wise, so for many days we cooked in the day and froze from wind and water at night during watches. I've had my share of sun, water, and wind exposure and over the years, so I probably wouldn't sail on a boat without a bimini and dodger again. When we got our boat one of the first items we had installed was a quality dodger and a frame-less bimini, and its a pleasure to sail with protection from the elements. I proved to myself once that I could take the beating when I was a young man, but now that I'm older and wiser I have no desire to repeat that insanity again.
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....Faster - how does your dodger work for you in the rain on a downwind course?
Not so well, that's true.....

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......No, maybe I'm just past being the hero. I want to sail warm and dry. Being cold and wet adds nothing to my experience. If I wanted that I'd stand under a cold shower in my back yard and save a fortune.
I understand the sentiment and don't entirely disagree, but if the choice is cold and wet in a back yard or cold and wet in some dramatic rainforest fiord after a brisk sail, knowing the cabin heater is going and the hot rums are poured..... there is some magic to that..

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I can't imagine trying to actually sail, using all the lines and rigging with a full enclosure blocking my ability to maneuver my body and limbs.
Well..... you certainly have a larger body and limbs than I and my previous C320 had a much larger cockpit, but I could do all of the above quite well all buttoned up because I had zippered slits for ALL controls led back to me at the helm. As a matter of fact I remember one early spring day fully enclosed with my wife inside the cabin enjoying the warmth of the Dickensen Propane heater while I was outside alone in a sweatshirt only beating down the bay gaining ground on 34ish fully crewed with people that looked like the "Michelin Man" in the cold.



Yup... you could say that the enclosure is Butt Ugly but another time we just made it down to Stonington CT a few minutes before the deluge started and while I was dry and warm sipping a cold one at the dock with a great view the dock workers and most everybody else were running around like nuts trying to get out of the rain..... what rain
My boat came with the dodger so it was $5,000 for the full enclosure with the best Strataglass windows etc... Storing the window side enclosures IS a major pain and even the good stuff has to be handled with care, buffered with cloth, and not just crammed into a corner. My only regret is that I went for the enclosesure only a year before I traded it in for my Nauticat so I didn't get my $$ worth..... but do you ever...

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