Am I just being sensitive?

[Cruisingdad]

By the way, did he see you? The Nonsuch has a huge sail forward (obviously) which may have blocked his view forward. I have always thougth that was one of the huge negatives of a Nonsuch when running.

Just a thought.

- CD

[flyingwelshman]

Originally Posted by Cruisingdad

By the way, did he see you? The Nonsuch has a huge sail forward (obviously) which may have blocked his view forward. I have always thougth that was one of the huge negatives of a Nonsuch when running.

Just a thought.

- CD

Its entirely possible that he didn't see me. 500 square feet of dacron tends to obstruct the view.

[imagine2frolic]

If you know you have a blind spot like the Nonsuch. You make sure you can see under, or around it! I would think you being limited in movement, because of the shoal, and marker was enough to make you the stand on vessel. Just like the freighter coming into harbors with channels to follow.......i2f

[Cruisingdad]

Originally Posted by imagine2frolic

If you know you have a blind spoti2f

Blind SPOT? How about Blind Mile!!!!!

Hey Welchman, just thank the Good Lord that you were not in a Catamaran, trying to go upwind - or your options really would have been limited!! (HEHE... snicker... just for you I2F)

- CD

[imagine2frolic]

CD,

If I find you somewhere in S. Florida this winter. I am going to have to teach you some upwind sailing....I known where there's an abandonded Santana 22!.....i2f

[Cruisingdad]

Originally Posted by imagine2frolic

CD,

If I find you somewhere in S. Florida this winter. I am going to have to teach you some upwind sailing....I known where there's an abandonded Santana 22!.....i2f

HEHE! You probably would, too! Truth is that when we live aboard, we really need a good reasons to sail to weather. I have little interest in things banging all around down there! I have no problems cranking up the engine. It is quieter then the kids and wife screaming at me about things getting broken down below!

Only a live aboard would understand, as I bet you do (smile).

Brian

[imagine2frolic]

Originally Posted by Cruisingdad

HEHE! You probably would, too! Truth is that when we live aboard, we really need a good reasons to sail to weather. I have little interest in things banging all around down there! I have no problems cranking up the engine. It is quieter then the kids and wife screaming at me about things getting broken down below!

Only a live aboard would understand, as I bet you do (smile).

Brian

OKAY, OKAY, I agree to agree .......i2f

[KurtV]

Originally Posted by flyingwelshman

If the Nonsuch veers a few degrees to her starboard I can maintain my heading and get past the marker. We're only talking a few degrees and the Nonsuch has plenty of searoom on her starboard side. If the Nonsuch holds her course, I will be forced to bear off and tack to get around the marker.

Even though the Nonsuch was the stand-on vessel - due to it being on a starboard tack - should her skipper have given way to allow me to pass the buoy without tacking? This would not cause him any inconvenience and would definitely assist me.
Not only should the stand-on vessel not have given way, she's forbidden from doing so by the rules. The stand-on vessel must maintain course and speed.

Was I expecting too much for the other skipper to have that much situational awareness?
What makes you think she didn't have situational awareness? She was following the rules.
As it turned out the Nonsuch stood on and we waved as we passed; we performed a couple of extra tacks - no harm: no foul.

What do you think?

If you want the stand-on vessel to act in some way that's not in accordance with the rules, you need to ask her to. I don't think it's at all unreasonable for you to ask given the situation you describe, but is is unreasonable to expect another vessel to not only read the situation for you but to also read your mind.

Pick up the radio and talk. If there's not time to do that, follow the rules. Kudos to you for that and for knowing the rule in the first place. Way too many don't.

[bobmcgov]

Originally Posted by US27inKS

You could have tacked in front of him (assuming you had room) and made him the give way vessel. Then after he passed you could have tacked back over to port and had an easier angle past the mark.

This.

You don't have a right to your lay line, nor to maintain a course based on convenience. By beating in tight to a marker with shoaling to leeward, you were painting yourself into a potential corner -- potential realized when another vessel entered the picture. What if the Nonesuch altered course and headed up -- and then you realized you weren't going to lay the marker after all and had to tack? Now the two boats are on converging courses, the burden has suddenly shifted, and the chances are good both skippers will take evasive action simultaneously -- potentially worsening the situation.

Courtesy is a fine thing, and if the Nonesuch skipper had made a broad, obvious gesture on rounding the buoy -- heading WELL wide of it and waiting to bear off, indicating you may have the inside line -- everyone would have been happy. But he was under no obligation, legal or social, to do so: and maybe if he had gone wide, he would have had to jibe once passing you to recover his heading. HE has to change tacks to spare you the trouble? No.

I don't understand why throwing in a tack is such a hellfire nuisance anyhow. We're not sailing tea clippers, here. Don't ever take up inland lake sailing if you are allergic to tacking. We do it forty or fifty times a day. In my not-very-authoritative opinion, as soon as you saw the Nonesuch round the buoy, you should have tacked onto starboard, making you the new stand on vessel, causing courses to diverge at right angles (minimizing time in the collision zone), and giving yourself greater room (and therefore more options) for passing the shoal. Do it early so everyone understands their obligations. It's what I would have done, but then I'm a sissy about boats getting close to me.

[US27inKS]

Originally Posted by bobmcgov

but then I'm a sissy about boats getting close to me.

Racing will fix that. Last weekend I shook hands with the committee boat crew while crossing the finish line.

When I'm out on the lake and I see someone I want to talk to, I just pull right up next to them and have a chat, or I'll buzz their transom by a couple of feet. Sometimes it's my friend who teaches sailing. It makes the students nervous at first, but when they see that neither Kathy nor myself are the least bit concerned, they settle down.