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Liveaboards that still sail?

Hello,

So, I know there's a great difference between a liveaboard and a cruiser. I know liveaboards often turn into floating apartments, often too encumbered to sail.

That being said, the time is quickly coming for me to buy a home. I've been looking, but I can't afford a place close to the sea, not if I'm to stay in LA where my job is. I'm certainly not able, right now, to cut ties and just head off into the beyond. But I wonder if I could buy a boat, live on it, and use it to go sailing on weekends, or perhaps after work for short trips out to watch the sun go down.

Right now I have more crap than I have at any point in my life, almost enough to fill up a 10x10 room (including my bed, desk, etc) and even at this point, I think I own fewer things than most people I know. I'm in the process of cutting it all back down till I can put everything I own in my Scion. I've realized that the more crap I have, the more angst I have, and I seem to be happiest when the things I own can fit into a backpack, so I don't necessarily think the minimal living thing would be bad for me. Further, if I'm keeping my job, and living at the docks, the 20k I've got right now could go from a so so boat, to a down-payment on a rather nice boat.

It's just a thought, and I'm not looking to do anything for another 18 months at least, but it's a thought I'm entertaining, and I thought I might get some thoughts from you guys.

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I had similar thoughts when I lived there. I'd say just cruise down to Marina Del Rey, spend some time looking at boats and talking to marinas about living aboard. See if there is space available, try to figure out what it will all cost as best you can, including yearly boat maintenance (tons of posts on here already about maintenance costs). Check out the awful traffic in that area Maybe it will make sense for you.

Personally I found it was too expensive versus an apartment, I didn't like the area, and I wasn't that keen on the sailing around MDR. I ended up leaving LA entirely and living on a boat in Washington BUT you should definitely check it out and see for yourself! There are plenty of people living aboard happily there!
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We moved completely aboard for the summer. Never took us more than 15 minutes to prep for a sail. We went out at least once a week.

Pumpout needs made it imperative that we leave the dock at least every other week!
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I moved on board a little over 2 months ago and I go out about every other night. I figure that if you are going to live on a boat you might as well be able to actually use it! It was a great feeling-- downsizing from all the stuff one tends to accumulate when living on land.
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The liveaboards that are encumbered with all their stuff and are unable to sail might be more apparent. Liveaboard boats that are functioning may not appear to have someone livng aboard. We bought our first liveaboard boat in 1971 and we've never kept any storage ashore or even in a dock box. There is, as you recognized in your post, a great freedom in non-ownership. We've always been able to leave the dock in the time that it takes for the engine to warm,-'take care and joy, Aythya crew
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It really depends on you more than anything else. If you want to liveaboard and keep the boat sailable....then do it...if you don't take care to do that... then your boat will not be sailable at a moment's notice.
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We've lived aboard and sailed for over 12 years. We're a little heavy on the "getting away from the dock quickly." Takes us a couple of hours - we didn't want to lose all of life's niceties (read:encumbrances). But that's just when we're in work mode.

We are (hopefully) permanently retired and are currently cruising. We very seldom pull into a dock except for fuel. We can pull up anchor and be underway at a moments notice. As I write this, we're underway in the Bogue Sound south of Beaufort, NC.

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Thanks.

I'm rocking the day job and fairly happy. I stay a few hours after most nights to work on my side project which I like to think should free me up in a few years, and just in case, I'm still putting into the 401k etc, because, if nothing else, by that point I'll be able to go sailing on longer voyages.

I'd love for it to take off, and for me to have an income I could earn from anywhere I could get internet connectivity, but in the meantime, this is looking like a real option.

I'm going to take some time to go down to the docks this weekend and look around and talk to some people.

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Best of luck, I think that is the dream a lot chase, myself included. I lived aboard in Waikiki, went sailing at least once a week if not more. I did keep a storage unit ashore, my job requires a lot of equipment, so all the clutter of work stuff was ashore, as were most of my big tools, a 5x10 space allowed me to keep stuff organized as quick access was important(24/7 too) to me without having to dig thru a floor to ceiling stack.

Some things where a pain, like trying to do any big projects, but the work around was a large work yard and covered bench area I got access to by joining a local YC. That helped a lot.

My advice? If you love the water and you are by yourself (no dependants/spouse) jump in, you wont regret it. The time I spent living on the transient row (800) at Ala Wai were some of the best of my life, I met awesome people, had a regular Friday/Saturday night dock get together with the most interesting people I have ever met.


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Best of luck, I think that is the dream a lot chase, myself included. I lived aboard in Waikiki, went sailing at least once a week if not more. I did keep a storage unit ashore, my job requires a lot of equipment, so all the clutter of work stuff was ashore, as were most of my big tools, a 5x10 space allowed me to keep stuff organized as quick access was important(24/7 too) to me without having to dig thru a floor to ceiling stack.

Some things where a pain, like trying to do any big projects, but the work around was a large work yard and covered bench area I got access to by joining a local YC. That helped a lot.

My advice? If you love the water and you are by yourself (no dependants/spouse) jump in, you wont regret it. The time I spent living on the transient row (800) at Ala Wai were some of the best of my life, I met awesome people, had a regular Friday/Saturday night dock get together with the most interesting people I have ever met.


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You've got to keep an eye on those Wakiki liveaboards, I sold my last boat to one, and he sank it 2 weeks later! (inside joke) (By the way, Nate I have a shipment of gin and "Old Ironsides" pipe tobacco for you!)

If you are single, there is no reason you can't liveaboard with a reasonable standard of living, and get underway regularly. A storage unit for overflow helps take the pressure off of trying to cram everything onboard. It's really a question of what amenities you are willing to do without (things like washers and dryers, etc). If you have a spouse who can get by on board as well, more power to you, but I find that 300 sq/ft worth of living space fills quickly.

It's a good lifestyle, but you are right to dig in a littel deeper before you take the plunge. You may also want to talk with a bank to see if they will finance you for a liveaboard. For some reason that makes a differecne to them.
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