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There is a giant mess of plastic in the ocean. It's a fact.
okay. So now what?
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Whenever I go hiking, i make a point of hiking more out with me than I hiked in. I remember being so pleased the first time I got out of the Angeles forest and into the Sierras, where I didn't find so much trash I filled my pack with it.

In the water, this can be a lot more fun, as I would use my boathook and do man-over drills with random pieces of garbage I saw in the water, sometimes coming to a stop, other times hooking it as I went by.

I cant help but think of the Yogi Bear cartoon where the ranger tricks them into picking up the trash.

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Great idea James...sounds like you are making cleaning up fun! I will definitely try that with my kids.
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I guess there were some posters who were trying to make the point that they were actually concerned about the health of the environment but were concerned that we might get side tracked by an issue that wasn't the most pressing of our times !??

Personally I think everything we do that makes our oceans cleaner is a good thing whether or not it is the most efficient use of time and resources...

Arguing which is the best or most correct thing to do is a bit of a distraction in my opinion.

How hard is it to bring cloth bags to the grocery store, heck they are stronger. How hard is it to use a refillable water bottle instead on contributing to the horrible, obscene amount of water bottles thrown out by North Americans everyday...this amount of plastic waste is MASSIVE

I don't know of a single experienced sailor who would ever condone throwing plastic in the ocean on purpose!

This is a basic tenant of responsible boating.

Anybody who suggests that this is some plot by the environmentalists to ruin the country should take and good long hard look at what they are saying!
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Anybody who suggests that this is some plot by the environmentalists to ruin the country should take and good long hard look at what they are saying!
GW, anyone who thinks all environmentalist are out to save the world should research all the mainstream groups; I have (did so for many many years), and they are not what they apprear to be, I had this discussion before on this site and I will say it again, this subject is like a great onion that you need to peel the layers off and like the great onion the more layers you remove the more it stinks.

Reading these posts there are some that are on the verge of understanding it all but still have many layers to go and then there are those that are still staring at the out skin while rolling it around in their hands thinking this will make me feel good

Bottom line is environmentalism hasn't been about the environment since the late 70's, it's been nothing but one political agenda after another, I saw this change coming in the early 70's and that why I ( like many others ) left orgs like the Sierra Club, their means to a end was highly distorted and has only gotten worse.

All I'm saying is understand who you're associating yourself with (which means digging deep ) and understand their motives, which you won't find on their website home page or the emails the send out looking for money for the save the ( fill in the blank ) call to action
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Poopydeck, it sounds like you have a lot more understanding of environmental groups than I do.

I also hear that you have seen examples of environmental groups creating public perceptions that assist them in there own political agendas.

I personally am not affiliated with any environmental group but am basing my beliefs with what I have seen with my own eyes and learned on my own.

The planet is finite and precious. I would like to protect it.

How you choose to do it is fine with me...I choose to keep plastic out of the ocean when I can.
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okay. So now what?
Milk it for all it's worth; how many years has the clean water act been in place ?, how many years has Save the Bay been around ? how many billions of dollars has been invested threw individuals donations, large corps like the Tide foundation and the likes, yet decades later we still deal with closed beaches because of inland runoff and failed sanitation facilities ??,

The environmental problems are not there to solve, they are there to exploit and capitalize on, when one has run it's course another will take it's place
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There's feel good environmentalism, and then there is actually doing things that help the environment - rarely do the two meet.
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.I choose to keep plastic out of the ocean when I can.
As does my family, we carry a small fishing net in the dink ( my granddaughters brain storm ) and we pick crap up and lots of it, we also use reusable bags for shopping, eliminated plastic water bottles altogether by using britta.

As liveaboards we see the ocean as our home and the critters that live within it (or on it ) as pets, people trashing my front yard pisses me off to no end, having our waters & beaches closed off do to toxic runoff or raw sewer spills year after year pisses me off to no end, watching enviro groups that use issues like these to raise money for decades and solving nothing has really soured me
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There has been a lot of talk on this subject both ways, but not many if any solutions. Now that this subject has been beaten to death, what we should be talking about are solutions. Who among all of you has a solution or combination of ideas to solve this problem?

I'll start with one idea even if he sounds stupid.

I say pay fishermen to drag fine nets through the surface of the ocean to collect the trash, and transfer the trash onto pick up boats that will take the trash back to land for disposal.

Who has another idea?
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