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Its a shame that dollars and cents have changed this into yet another open ocean race where the entry criteria are catering to the deepest wallets...wonder if this is run as for profit or not for profit.
The Caribbean 1500 is owned by a for-profit organization. The Salty Dawg Rally is not-for-profit.

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Re: Caribbean 1500

I've often thought of joining in on the parties and social events of a rally, but have absolutely zero interest in sailing en mass with a hundred or so other boats, with check ins and trackers, etc. I actually contacted the ARC folks about this and they were quite willing to accommodate me. Seems like the best of both worlds, to me.

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Re: Caribbean 1500

A major problem with these rallies is that they are run to a schedule often with considerable pressure to keep to that schedule.

This means they may leave when conditions are dicey, there are several good examples of this.

It can be argued that the last 1500 and Salty dog rallies are in this category.
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Again, about how much does Carib 1500 participation cost? I've requested an event package, but haven't received it yet, and nowhere I've looked has any information whatsoever about the cost...other than there is one.
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Re: Caribbean 1500

In 2010 - 11 it was a $1000 entry fee but that was before the new ownership was fully in place so it may have changed since then.

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Re: Caribbean 1500

I'm planning to do this or a similar rally one of these days. The social time is a big part of the draw, especially with those that have made several of these passages. While one can certainly gain access to all the same professional weather and nav resources on their own, I suppose it's a convenience for them to do so for you. I think I like the daily check in, but it's not the biggest deal. If you're in the raft and your EPIRB isn't working, it would seem like a nice safety feature. Whether in front or behind, one of the things I love the most about being offshore is getting away from other traffic. No stand on rule negotiations, no worries about taking your eyes off the upcoming 1000 yards full of lobster pots. I agree with the poster that has no interest in being in a pack.

However, I fully agree that there is both peer and schedule pressure, with these events. You can not join these to pay someone else to make decisions for you. Further, you must be willing to walk away from your entry fee, stay ashore, miss the arrival party, etc, if you aren't comfortable with the window.

There are several activities that require the same risk mangement decision making. Ed Viesturs wrote a great book on the subject, " No shortcuts to the top". I highly recommend it.

Ed has climbed Everest a half dozen times, every single 8000 meter peak, without oxygen, etc. On his first attempt to summit Everest, he turned back when just a couple hundred yards from the summit, because he reached the time of day he knew he needed to be headed back down the mountain to be safe. Most would set the same safety time before they began their accent, but many would ignore it, if that close. Understand which you are before entering one of these rallies, or making an open water passage at all.


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Re: Caribbean 1500

There really is no "pack". I've done the trip twice and the boats naturally separate once out of the mouth of the Chesapeake. After 12-18 hours I think only once or twice did we ever see another rally boat along the way until we got within sight of the BVIs. Even the rally boats we did see offshore were far enough off to only be confirmed as such by showing up as an AIS target.

Daily check-ins are not mandatory. I believe the only mandatory items/actions with the 1500 are the tracker, the items on their safety checklist, and attendance at a skippers' briefing. I do agree that there is peer pressure toward a set departure date. Some of the pressure also comes from the fact that there a lot of guest crew who can only take a set time away from their jobs and lives. When there was a 5 day delay in 2011, crew departed a few boats before ever sailing and threatened to do so for several more. Also the time of year means a lot of people want to get home by Thanksgiving, which can get iffy if you're on a slower boat facing a delayed departure.

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There really is no "pack". I've done the trip twice and the boats naturally separate once out of the mouth of the Chesapeake. After 12-18 hours I think only once or twice did we ever see another rally boat along the way until we got within sight of the BVIs. Even the rally boats we did see offshore were far enough off to only be confirmed as such by showing up as an AIS target.

Daily check-ins are not mandatory. I believe the only mandatory items/actions with the 1500 are the tracker, the items on their safety checklist, and attendance at a skippers' briefing. I do agree that there is peer pressure toward a set departure date. Some of the pressure also comes from the fact that there a lot of guest crew who can only take a set time away from their jobs and lives. When there was a 5 day delay in 2011, crew departed a few boats before ever sailing and threatened to do so for several more. Also the time of year means a lot of people want to get home by Thanksgiving, which can get iffy if you're on a slower boat facing a delayed departure.
Do you recall the Rally HF frqs and time sked for boat check ins..?
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In 2010 - 11 it was a $1000 entry fee but that was before the new ownership was fully in place so it may have changed since then.
Thanks for that info. I'm still looking to receive my event package for details, but have more or less concluded it may be right for me as a first-timer, that is, taking my boat to the BVI. Would you do it again?
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