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C'mon, give it some time. It's the usual tarting up of a serious subject.

This really is the crux of most arguments around here. It will be interesting to hear what people think...after everyone sobers up.
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I'll bite Gomez, ugh . . . Smack - With respect to skills, you prepare incrementally. When learning to ski, no sense going straight for the black diamond slopes 'less you like the taste of bark. Know your limits and increase them a step at a time while building knowlege and experience. Or . . . do it with someone who's already a pro. Or . . . just do it and rely on luck, who knows, you might get away with it .

With respect to everything else (sell house, sell wife, rent out kids, pack clothes and beer) . . . just go ahead and do that stuff - to heck with preparation.
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Dream like you'll live forever.
Prepare like you'll die tomorrow.

You want to sail around the world? You want to live the dream?

Perfect.

Now comes the preparation.

This is the crux of most sailing forum debates. The bottom line is...there's nothing wrong with the dreaming. It's what gets anyone and everyone started in this beautiful art in the first place.

But no one can argue that sailing big is not, potentially, deadly. You HAVE to prepare.

The question is...how do we let both of these stand?

What do you think?
Depends on if you are allowing public opinion (and those most against - usually sap the press, internet etc), or what you have to do.

The only real difference of seeing the world and living aboard - is the lengths you have to do it.

For instance, my moving onboard - will require boon docking at least 5 days a week. And I have a dog... (bulldog size - but he's sailed many times before).

Why I believe both the ocean sailor and the live aboard share the most is, that they are both restricted in funds (or ability to use them), the common bond amounts to the ability to survive with no or limited resources. A lot of people never see that quality as we equate stories of that gal in FL, that guy in California etc all attempting "glory of world traveling".. But we never hear about live aboard boon docking failures. And the amount of prep or ability for them use what they got.

Personally - I am scared #@!$%less on the whole living aboard and I have an RV I could land in but its boring when its all said and done (living on a RV). One difference that the marine lifestyle and the RV lifestyle have, is actually - sense of community. Don't get me wrong - RVing can be cool if you do the group thing, but as a sailor you get immediate connections and they remember you. Odds are greater you'll cross paths again or if you here something on the VHF - you know to go help. Thanks to cell phones the CB is not nearly as proficient as VHF.

To address this: "The question is...how do we let both of these stand?"

It is not UP TO US, it is up to the person making the adventure to live and die based on what they are capable of. None of us can judge because some have more to invest but lack common sense, others with common sense can do more with less.

When you think about Christopher Columbus and other explorers of the day. They didn't have water makers (but did use rain catchers - if it rained), they didn't have charts or depth sounders, they didn't have powered fridges etc... Which leads me to the point - you do not have to have it all - to have the adventure if you realize what your limitations are.

Sure I'll have 4 battery banks, solar, a wind gen, LED lighting throughout, and a Honda 2000 EU to keep things up to spec. Not everyone has, and many - have done without. Adventure begins when you realize you are ready to tackle the adventure knowing that you know what you do not have - but can manage because you know how to handle with what you do have...
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To address this: "The question is...how do we let both of these stand?"

It is not UP TO US, it is up to the person making the adventure to live and die based on what they are capable of. None of us can judge because some have more to invest but lack common sense, others with common sense can do more with less.

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Ya.....one heck of a fisherman too!
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Dream like you'll live forever.
Prepare like you'll die tomorrow.

You want to sail around the world? You want to live the dream?

Perfect.

Now comes the preparation.

This is the crux of most sailing forum debates. The bottom line is...there's nothing wrong with the dreaming. It's what gets anyone and everyone started in this beautiful art in the first place.

But no one can argue that sailing big is not, potentially, deadly. You HAVE to prepare.

The question is...how do we let both of these stand?

What do you think?

I think the reality is sailing is a deep and expansive subject. Some have ventured off before that would have if they actually knew the risk they were facing. Many survive and don't regret it. I have friends that sailed a small wooden boat hundreds of miles off shore down the entire west coast of Canada/usa and survived and now they are veterans 10 years later with a whole difference perspective (not that the regret what they did)

I survived skiing in the back country with out even knowing avalanches existed when I was barely 20 years old! But I have also lost many friends to avalanches in the past 20 years which sure has changed my view point.

Similar to what I did it as a teenager with cars, motorbikes and bicycles....I drive slower and more carefully than I did as teenager.

What do you want??...You can certainly be smart or you can throw caution to the wind and hang your ass out.

I have kids now so I have spent 7 years sailing frequently, building my chops (after a childhood of regular sailing). I won't head into the middle of the Pacific until I feel good and ready.

Does it mean I will survive for sure....no...but my chances will be better than someone who just gets in a boat with a few weeks or months experience and heads off. And I might not be setting of my EPIRB by significantly reducing the chance of failures and situations that can be prevented or have the experience to deal with different possible failures at sea.
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Pain - when I said "sail your trashbag" I realized that I had taken that particular quip out of the OP. So, please, a moment...

I'd initially said that some old schoolers were thinking that bad advice was now being dispensed around here by people like me saying that sailing a trash bag across the Atlantic was perfectly fine - as long as it makes you feel good. But I reinforced the fact that there are still plenty of great salts around here that will patiently explain the downsides of this particular venture. So - now that you know...

I love the Bene. I'm jealous. So I will always refer to it as a trashbag.

Make sense?

Hey, time for another D&S!
Oh. Hah! It's not like I was going to take you literally...or...uh...anything. *puts box of Glad trash bags away*

I mean, how would that even work? (duct tape, cardboard from trash bag boxes shaped into a hull, broomstick)
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