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Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

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But, I could be wrong - those guys aren't exactly risk-averse, after all... (grin)
My experience as a racer (motorsports) says that there are few more concerned about risks than the ones that make dangerous sports, specially at a top level. They are always trying to minimize them while doing what they love: fast racing.

Volvo racers are not be different in what regards that but I know better the story of the Vendee Globe where the risk is even bigger. Those sailors in conjunction with designers have always worked hard to minimize risks and to make safer boats and equipment and the developments in what regards safety, on the last 20 years had been huge.

There is not a race that has been as important for the development of safer boats and safer equipment. Maybe because it is a solo race and those teachings are more applicable to cruising boats (that are also short crewed and like the solo boats should be easy to sail) than the ones that come from full crewed boats, where the boats can be faster but don't need to be as easy or forgiven to sail.

Yes the ones that whant to stretch the boundaries have to take risks but always controlled risks always trying to improve safety margins. Out boats are safer due to what designers have learned with them.

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Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

what about the pirate ? If we sail to a round the world?
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Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

I would bet that most of us aren't afraid enough during "normal" sailing I know that I'm not.

It is easy to be afraid when things are bad. The only real way to prevent it for most of us is to just go ahead and die.
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Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

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It's not sailing anyone should be afraid of, it's the ocean. I admit freely that I am afraid of the ocean. Any sailor who says he/she is not afraid of the ocean is a likely candidate to become a statistic.
I'm gonna guess that being "afraid" of the ocean is not really what you meant... I'm perplexed why anyone who is actually afraid of the sea, would chose to venture out upon it on a small boat, for pleasure :-)

Perhaps you'd agree that "respect" might be a better term? That's how I'd characterize my feeling, and certainly to the point of "awe" on many occasions... The ocean put my house underwater a year ago, after all - but I wouldn't live where I do, or do what I do with boats, if I really feared the ocean...

On the other hand, if we're talking about the creatures that inhabit the ocean that might eat or kill me, that's a whole different ballgame... :-)
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Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

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I'm gonna guess that being "afraid" of the ocean is not really what you meant... I'm perplexed why anyone who is actually afraid of the sea, would chose to venture out upon it on a small boat, for pleasure :-)

Perhaps you'd agree that "respect" might be a better term? That's how I'd characterize my feeling, and certainly to the point of "awe" on many occasions... The ocean put my house underwater a year ago, after all - but I wouldn't live where I do, or do what I do with boats, if I really feared the ocean...

On the other hand, if we're talking about the creatures that inhabit the ocean that might eat or kill me, that's a whole different ballgame... :-)
I guess what I was getting at is that fear is what inspires the respect. Without the knowledge that the sea can and will kill you quick and having that fear is what guides decision making. I think we all fear a rogue wave, a quickly developing depression coming out of the blue that we can't avoid, a semi submerged container in the middle of the night. It's also what we thrive on:-)

I've been working on a house on the Jersey shore that was nearly washed away. The destruction was indeed awesome. Spent a lot of time in the beginning removing splintered pieces of boardwalk girders and planking from the yard. The waterline was 3' up the walls and all the stuff in the garage looked like it had been inside a huge washing machine. We had a neighbor's car from across the street in the backyard. When I was through there this spring on the boat, I was floored by the devastation at Atlantic Highlands.
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Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

The stats. don't say anything about the coasties or cops running boats over and killing people .
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Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

Here's a scary weather system. Hope no one is sailing across the N. Atlantic right now. Dr. Jeff Masters' WunderBlog : Powerful St. Jude's Day Storm Pounding France and the UK | Weather Underground
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Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

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Sail Magazine, a while back, published the statistics for loss of life among pleaure boaters . Sailboats were a tiny percentage of the total, the rest being power boats. Compared to urban living, among huge hunks of metal ( vehicles) constanly hurtling past us from all directions , barely missing us; statistically, being on a well built sailboat in mid ocean is probably one of the safest places on the planet to be.
Yes, but is that because sailboats are tough, because sailboat skippers are smart, or because sailboats only represent a tiny fraction of recreational boaters?

I'm betting it's the last one.
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Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

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Yes, but is that because sailboats are tough, because sailboat skippers are smart, or because sailboats only represent a tiny fraction of recreational boaters?

I'm betting it's the last one.
There's also the fact that any knucklehead can figure out how to get a motorboat going, but you actually have to learn a few things to operate a sailboat. The fact that a sailor has gone through the trouble of learning how to operate her vessel probably means she also learned a bit about safety along the way.
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Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

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It's not sailing anyone should be afraid of, it's the ocean. I admit freely that I am afraid of the ocean. Any sailor who says he/she is not afraid of the ocean is a likely candidate to become a statistic.
very true! my father always said a similar thing about motorcycles: if you are really afraid of them, you shouldn't ride. if you aren't afraid of them at all, you need to stop riding, because that will get you killed. you need to have enough fear to respect the dangers.
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