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Btw. you can see the rudders on a cat here:
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Modern racing Tris are designed to sail with only
the leeward ama in the water, with the main hull
flying clear as much of the time as possible.
( See the BMW A Cup beast)
Thus all three rudders are steerable.
In the tri pictured you can see what look to be
either steering cables or hydraulic lines leading
to the amas. The center rudder also appears
to be retractable.

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For a racing tri, You're obviously right - And yes DogZilla has rudders on the Ama's - But those boats are probably not the ones that we compare against?

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Modern racing Tris are designed to sail with only
the leeward ama in the water, with the main hull
flying clear as much of the time as possible.
( See the BMW A Cup beast)
Thus all three rudders are steerable.
In the tri pictured you can see what look to be
either steering cables or hydraulic lines leading
to the amas. The center rudder also appears
to be retractable.

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One of my favorite large trimarans is tiller steered and comes in at 18 meters long...
Thanks for the great picture Dog. A quick observation brings a few questions. I see only one crew member present. Is he truly singlehanding? I don't see control lines led to the helm. Also, does it have a tiller on the center hull so it can be steered from there as well?

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For a racing tri, You're obviously right - And yes DogZilla has rudders on the Ama's - But those boats are probably not the ones that we compare against?
We can agree that 'most' tris have one rudder,
on the center hull.

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That guy is controling the tiller for the center/main hull, you can see what he is holding is connected to the rudder. You can also see the main hull is mostly airborne with the center daggerboard only partially submerged so I guess the rudder is only partly submerged. So what is steering that thing?... the leeward rudder???
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Another consideration that was pointed out to me - and I have seen by comparing comparably-sized boats - is that a tiller gives you more cockpit space when anchored, docked or moored, as the tiller can be flipped up or folded out of the way.

Even the wheels that can be removed still require a post that sticks up from your cockpit sole.

I asked two experienced sailors at my marina the same question.

Each of them was equally convincing in their answer. One was a strong proponent of the wheel. The other was a strong proponent of the tiller. Both had very good reasons for their choice.

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That guy is controling the tiller for the center/main hull, you can see what he is holding is connected to the rudder. You can also see the main hull is mostly airborne with the center daggerboard only partially submerged so I guess the rudder is only partly submerged. So what is steering that thing?... the leeward rudder???
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I'm guessing that as a trimaran, you're going to be trimming your sails so as to minimize the time your rudder spends out of the water. I would also guess that this is at least one of the functions of the fin at the stern of the ama; to help keep the boat on course during periodic temporary loss of steering? My question about whether there is a center tiller is just that it seems like there would be conditions or issues that might arise where one might want to steer from the center hull.

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IIRC, Brossard was not designed specifically for singlehanding, but often is.

Brossard has only one rudder, the one on the main hull, but it is a pretty deep draft rudder, and works when the main hull is flying a bit... the fins on the aft end of the amas are to help shift the center of lateral resistance aft when flying the main hull IIRC.

As for the lines, I don't know if they're lead to the outboard steering positions, but believe the main sheet is, but not the jib sheets.

Brossard is a cutter rigged trimaran IIRC, not a sloop. Many of the larger racing trimarans are cutter rigged. You can see the multiple headsails on their individual roller furling units...

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What are advantages/disadvantages of having a wheel vs. tiller? Does a wheel on a Pearson 303 have a locking mechanism?
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Don't know about the Pearson 303 but I prefer a tiller up to around 35'. Helps feel the boat better in my mind and past that the only option is a wheel. I would suggest trying a wheel and tiller if you are looking for something under 35' and determine what feels good for you.

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