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Diesel School 101- Episode 1

So How long is to long to let fuel age unused or let your engine sit between engine fire up's?



The debate will wage on and opinions will fly around like....well you know..everyone has one right.



Well what started off a pretty typical scenario around here for me with 17 pieces of equipment sitting around in vastly differing usage requirements..Gives me an opportunity to prove some of this as sort of a Myth buster.


Conditions very and circumstances very, and I realize that...but this video is for some of you doubters, naysayers or for some of you newbies that know nothing of your engine or of diesel fuel and are looking for some straight talk and some proof in the pudding so to speak and not theory.



This video was an after thought.... I need this machine on a job Monday morning so yesterday I went out to fire it up..Just for grins I wanted to see how hot the batteries were after sitting for two years before I did anything so I hoped in and they gave me about 20 to 30 revolutions at a low speed before giving up the ghost... I new not fast enough to fire her but enough to get some oil moving around and lubricating things up...I should have mentioned this in the video as that is an important step before starting any engine, gas or diesel that has been sitting a long time to get some oil circulating first before attempting to start them..even rotating your engine by hand a few times will do the trick..but its easier to just hold out the fuel shut off and spin the engine with the starter a couple dozen times....I will be changing the oil filter for sure today possibly the oil ..maybe not...another one of my pet peeves usurped on the american public.



It was moments after I hooked up the Battery charger that I scratched my head and thought.... " Hey!..I should document this for all my sail boat buddies"



So sit back and relax...I hope you enjoy it.



and stay tuned for more to come when this Summer I will document a 5 year old mothball repeat of this test on another piece of equipment...Im confidant .......are you?..it should be fun!...Till next time then...



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My friend bought an old piver that had been sitting for 15 years. He withdrew all the fuel, and it was as clean, and pretty red as if it was brand new.........i2f
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Sounded pretty good too, StillRaining.

How do you feel about either vs wd 40?
By the video it looked like you only gave it a couple of squirts of either.
But I thought that wd 40 was safer?
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Hey Still—

great video...but it does make you sound a bit redneck...
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Nice job Still. Thanks for sharing the video.
When you put that baby 'out to pasture' 2 years ago did you 'fog' the engine or any kind of layup procedure for leaving her idle for a long time?
I'm going to guess that 'fogging' the engine with light weight oil is more of a gasoline engine necessity then for diesels - since diesel is a lubricant as well as a fuel. Yes, I have an old A4 on my boat but I'm always interested in the hows and whys of diesels as they are on plenty of OPBs.
Like DavidPM I've 'heard' that WD40 was a good choice for helping to jump a hard or cold starting diesel. Obviously Ether has been working just fine for you though.
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If its cold WD will not do the trick in my experience...Its also an individual engine call...I would also be less inclined to use either in anything but tiny, tiny..amounts in a very light built engine like Yanmars..or say and old early Chevy motor where they basically converted 350 gas motors over to Diesel by swapping out pistons and heads.

FWIW I have keeped diesels running through the bleed out period by continual small squirts of ether into the air intake till she would pick up fuel on her own and remain running...many times.

It is inexperience using either that gets people in trouble..loading way to much in or say using the preheaters along with the either which can cause pre-detonate on the wrong stroke causing damage...It is a balance in that you want a very thin air to ether ratio and not the engine loading up on a highly explosive fuel...I truly believe that if the ratio is right there is next to Zero increased combustion chamber pressure over a greater amount of diesel fuel..The pressure just gets there faster..like a fast burning powder vs a slow burning one say in ammunition reloading...if you put less of the fast burning powder in the caseing the recoil thus the pressure will remain the same.

I have yet to see in 30 years a diesel damaged with ether...but I don't work around idiots either..it has happened for sure or you would not have heard the concern about it..but how did it happen is the important question?...just as fuel contaminatin has happened...how often is the myth.
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Nice job Still. Thanks for sharing the video.
When you put that baby 'out to pasture' 2 years ago did you 'fog' the engine or any kind of layup procedure for leaving her idle for a long time?
I'm going to guess that 'fogging' the engine with light weight oil is more of a gasoline engine necessity then for diesels - since diesel is a lubricant as well as a fuel. Yes, I have an old A4 on my boat but I'm always interested in the hows and whys of diesels as they are on plenty of OPBs.
Like DavidPM I've 'heard' that WD40 was a good choice for helping to jump a hard or cold starting diesel. Obviously Ether has been working just fine for you though.
Caleb... You are correct with all your statements.... and its a "no" answer to your first question.

I have never fogged a diesel...Diesel is an oil in and of itself like you said..and unlike a gas engine is not completely striped of that oil off the cylinder walls..which is where the seizing of a gas engine occurs....Would I if I planed on taking an engine out of something and storing it for years and years disconected where air moisture might get internal to the engine?...of course!

Yes Diesel oil is also a solvent like gas is.. but it still is a very , very light oil ..Gas evaporates almost completely offering zero residual lubricating properties ..diesel does not.
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Thanks for sharing! Great testament to the Perkins Diesel!

You acknowledge that the saltwater environment is far more harsh than terra firma (moisture & corrosion). Also, I believe that the source of your diesel fuel is (was) more LIKELY cleaner than the stuff that you may get from some marina fuel dock. (Water, and crud at no extra charge)
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great video...but it does make you sound a bit redneck...
Always been one Dog...Thanks for recognizing it!
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Just in case there was any doubt.......gota go the wifes giving me that look..

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