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I have a 27 foot Columbia and I'm looking at leaving my forestay as is for hanking a jib sail if I want to and adding a Schaefer 550 System furler which uses a cable or removeable 2nd forestay. Is this an OK idea or am I wasting my money on this.
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I would have no interest with a cutter with double rollers. I would take the inner down and rig a removeable with hank on yankee. Tacking an cutter sucks. Keep the inner for storm work.

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As a veteran sailor of over 20 years, my boat never had a roller furling. I never had a problem with 13 foot seas at night or even worrying about nights at sea... but that was my Sunfish.

Due to my wife kicking me into gear, I moved from a Sunfish to a 26' boat with a hank on jib and normal mainsail. The stuff makes sense to me. I am very new to sailing with a keel and to be honest most of the concepts of sailing with a boat heavier than a car is new.

So, my wife is looking to go from a 2 ton boat to an 8 ton boat. I can ably manage my 2 ton boat, but my wife is still getting used to piloting it under power.

The idea of learning a roller furling system on top of the rest of the learning curves I slide down makes me nervous. I understand hanking on a sail. I have READ that aftermarket furling sometimes doesn't work under load and some won't let you work with a partially furled jib. None of this is based in experience but reading.

I appreciate the input greatly, but I find it amazing that my wife would position me as such an expert in sailing... If you are in Fisher's Island sound and see a boat with a screaming woman and a guy struggling with a completely nonsensible sail-set, thats us.

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A good furler will indeed work to weather in a blow..having a line part in those conditions is the worrisome part...sort of like letting go of a tiger's tail...there's teeth in the other end..

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Okay I'll say it: I enjoy changing headsails. And I will qualify: to a degree.

We have an array of hank-on jibs. We do mostly daysailing, and generally use the sail best suited to the strongest wind we expect to encounter. If the wind is a bit lighter, it's no big deal.

On multiday trips in summer, we often have light wind in the morning which builds in the afternoon and then dies out completely in the evening. On such days we will typically switch jibs twice. If we're going downwind, we will fly one of our symmetrical spinnakers, again, because we like doing it.

Our vee-berth has two spinnakers, three genoas, and a mainsail in it :P

That said, our next boat will have a roller furling jib. We are pretty excited about the cutter rig, partially because of the sail options, but also because I have this image in my head of motoring out past the breakwater without having thought about what headsail to use today, deciding based on conditions, and then, without getting out of the cockpit, pulling on a rope until I get what I want. I have a similar image for when the day is done and it's time to douse. Oh and, partially because of how sexy cutters (true cutters) are

Ideally our forestay would have a boom with a reefable staysail bent on.

Relatedly, there's lots of good ideas on this forum about tacking a double-headed sailboat, btw. You're always doing some work to tack a boat, unless you have a self-tending headsail; and many seaworthy cutters do indeed have self-tending staysails. In conditions where you'd have the jib up, "difficulty tacking" is not really an issue, and if you're in heavy conditions, a self-tending storm staysail sounds like a nice option.

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I grew up sailing a boat with roller furling, and I now own one with hanked on headsails. My experience is similar to AdamLein's -- since I'm just day sailing or weekending, I usually know what I'm getting into for the day and try to size accordingly (please ignore BFS story from last year . . .) I expect that we will install roller furling in the future, but for now it's just not that big of a deal to use the hanked on headsails. Keep in mind, though, that if you buy a boat with hanks and then convert, there is a cost associated with that as you will have to modify your existing headsails.

Incidentally, while my experience is out of date (1980s) and I believe design improvements have been made, the only time I've been on the foredeck in 25 foot seas was when the roller furler line broke and I had to cut it out of the drum and thread a new one. Not a fun experience.
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Really would be better off asking in your own thread, rather than hijacking this one. Just curious as to why you would do this, as a 550 system is a furling only wire luff furler unit... doesn't allow you to reef so adds complexity with little real benefit IMHO. Works fine if you're talking a light air sail like a screacher...but doesn't make much sense for a genny or jib

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Incidentally, while my experience is out of date (1980s) and I believe design improvements have been made, the only time I've been on the foredeck in 25 foot seas was when the roller furler line broke and I had to cut it out of the drum and thread a new one. Not a fun experience.
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I have a 27 foot Columbia and I'm looking at leaving my forestay as is for hanking a jib sail if I want to and adding a Schaefer 550 System furler which uses a cable or removeable 2nd forestay. Is this an OK idea or am I wasting my money on this.
Interesting question weeph - and a good place for it. What kind of clearance would you have between the two stays?

Still - what's the clearance on yours?


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I would have no interest with a cutter with double rollers. I would take the inner down and rig a removeable with hank on yankee. Tacking an cutter sucks. Keep the inner for storm work.

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I am crushed CD! . Both furlers are the same size on Imagine. So in reality I have built in spares. Occassionally the genoa gets hung up when tacking, but only in light air. Because I sail flat it's no big deal to walk to the staysail, and give the sail a nudge. It's just another compromise when making a decision on what kind of boat you sail. Then again I have twin windlasses too .........i2f

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