So... for a topic that was billed as as very important, it seems to have deteriorated into the following sequence of events:
- a boat owner with a dramatic tale of an empty life raft that would possibly make the core of an episode of CSI.
- a declaration that life rafts are non-righting death traps, with no realistic consideration of current raft design
- an objection by a minority of readers that have some accurate information and call him out on the overstatement
- a rally of the OP's disciples who praise his omnipotence while dismissing the valid criticism of the "death trap" claim,
- and speaking of drowning, all the valid contributions from a few posters on current liferaft specifications seem to have been drowned by the disciples songs of praise, and the noise of Architeuthis' incomprehensible sermons from his pulpit.
A Classic Internet Moment and a topic lost in partisan dogma !!!
Moving right along >>>>>>>> nothing more to add here.
That was uncalled for. Did I wrong you somewhere that I did not know about? SOme other thread maybe? Some other forum? is there some reason you felt compelled to say that?
I have tried to put together some first hand accounts of what I have seen and open a discussion on the matter, which you caustically picked apart with cynicism. You dissagree with it? Fine. Let's discuss it. But don't belittle me, SN, and the other posters with your sarcasm and tacky comments. Other posters will read your comments and decide to themselves that there is NO WAY they will post their experiences and opinions in fear of getting a good lashing from you or other posters that know it all already. It's not what you say, it is how you say it.
Moving right along in an effort to make this thread a reasonable source of information again-
Please discuss the type of 12 person raft that you flipped. Mfg and type would be appreciated. What was the sea state? What was the sea temperature? What safety gear were you wearing? How long had you been in the water? Night or day? Was it fully inflated? How do you flip a raft with people inside and how were they breathing?
I am not saying that a life raft cannot be flipped, I am saying that in reality, it will be difficult at best. For example, how in the world are you supposed to climb up on a raft in a 4 foot sea? 8 foot? 12+ foot? As much sailing as you have done, you certainly can apprecaite the reality of doing that. The sea spray on that would make it very slick. Getting the straps, getting on top of the raft, keeping from slipping and falling over while you try to stand up, in cold water your ability to function will be quickly deteriorating, the weight of the water in the canopy acting against you - is it realistic to assume this can be done by the typical yachty with a typical Yachties Life raft? I am not talking about a commercial Life Pod.
Please unsderstand that my Ford Pickup is designed to get 22 mpg. It never has. The reality of it doing that is not what can be achieved in the real world. I have no doubt that there are people that have flipped their life rafts. Perhaps the newer ones? Perhaps some of the older ones. But how many conditions were met in order for them to do it? Could the typical cruiser do it in those conditions? Shouldn't a buying decisino be based upon its ability to not flip over in the first place? Has the real-world difficulty of one man (or woman) flipping a life raft in real world survival conditions been fully explored and has the typical purcahser considered his/her ability to flip X-raft as one of the most important criteria before they buy?
This is what I was trying to get across. I was trying to make people think about real-world scenarios. If this thread does nothing else, I hope it makes people think. What I saw is what I saw. I am not stating what a raft 'can do', I am telling you what I saw one of them do in real life. No sugar coating. And I suspect that if you had been there, some of your opinions on this would be different. Some would not. No problem. But at least grant me the courtesy of a gentleman's response and appreciate the fact that I am taking a lot of time away from my family and the gazillions of things we have to do before our next leg to relay our experiences and opinions. It is all in the interest of helping others here and giving back to the community. Otherwise, why participate in a forum at all?