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Now for a real forecast for saturday...

Good bye Gulf Beaches.....
http://response.restoration.noaa.gov...06-02-2100.pdf
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and now the florida keys...

So it is in the loop current the predictions for the East Coast become clearer
Coast Guard investigates 'oily substance' reports in Florida Keys as models show loop current taking spill to East Coast | al.com

CD hope you and your family made the Keys,they will change soon..

This is what follows

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I must say that it truly sickens me to watch the current news photos. That said, so many continue to argue for the oil industry. That sickens me even more.

In time, even the most staunch supporters of the industry will curse themselves for not demanding change long ago. If this is allowed to continue there will be no more pristine anchorages, clear water, coral reefs, etc., and therefore no reason to sail to them. Those things are what motivate us all to go to sea in the first place.

Only the most foolish continue to s _ _ t where they eat!

All of the oil ever pumped, or to be pumped, from the GOM, or any other beautiful place, is not worth the life of one sea bird, dolphin, let alone one human.

I really do not expect many to agree with me yet!

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I agree with your paragraph 5 regarding your paragraph 4..
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Thank You Tom! That is the very reason for YET. But time has a way of bring us around.

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Well said ROSA. It is a crime, that became a disaster, and that is clearly becoming a tragedy.

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It's nice to be idealistic, however, the unfortunate reality is that since we are not about to give up every benefit we derive from petroleum production including it's derivatives, exploration, drilling and production is, and will always be, more important to us than "one sea bird or dolphin". No amount of diligence, regulation or technology will prevent more spills in the future. What is more important is that you already know that!

What many of us fail to appreciate is why some so vehemently criticize this spill but never utter a peep about all the rest throughout the world -
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Rosa, I bet there will be change. There will be a lot of new regulations and rules. There will be a lot of posturing and pontificating. But until you and I are willing to give up our cars and our air conditioners and our refrigerators, there will be a need for oil.
I wish there were viable, affordable alternatives but there aren't. YET.

I bought a bunch of used food grade plastic drums last year and installed a 500 gallon rain catchment system this winter.
I have been using a composting toilet for the last six months.
I have been composting or converting into biochar every single bit of biomass that grows on my property.
I have asked my neighbors to save their kitchen scraps for my compost piles and my earthworm farms.
I cook most nights of the week on my TLUD stove in my back yard. This produces biochar and doesn't add heat to my dwelling.

What does any of this have to do with anything?

This;
I am doing what I can. Those things listed above are things that are within my power to do. Little ways that I can make little differences.
Hell, most of my friends think I've gone off the deep end in my attempt to live in balance with nature.

But I still need to drive to work every day.
I still need to store food and cool the house. (Although the AC is never set below 80).
If I could afford to I would have solar panels all over my roof, wind generators all over my yard and would be driving a solar powered vehicle. But I can't afford it.

I would love to live in a world that didn't need to drill holes in the earth to bleed it of it's oil. But this is the world I was born into 50 some odd years ago and I can only do what I can to improve the situation. And for me that's to think outside of the box a little and do the little things that might save a little power or a little water or that adds nutrients back into the soil.
Little steps. Little steps.

If you have given up your gas powered vehicles and have given up the conveniences that have become so much a part of our lives. Especially in this country. Then more power to you. I haven't figured out a way to do that and still stay married.

I do however understand the outrage that you and other are expressing. I share in feeling that outrage.
At the same time, I know that I have been and remain a part of the problem. I've always liked driving. I like cold beer and fresh food. I like air-conditioning, I like living like a spoiled American.

We didn't get here over night and we won't change over night.
Little steps. Little steps.
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Rosa, I bet there will be change. There will be a lot of new regulations and rules. There will be a lot of posturing and pontificating. But until you and I are willing to give up our cars and our air conditioners and our refrigerators, there will be a need for oil.
I wish there were viable, affordable alternatives but there aren't. YET.

I bought a bunch of used food grade plastic drums last year and installed a 500 gallon rain catchment system this winter.
I have been using a composting toilet for the last six months.
I have been composting or converting into biochar every single bit of biomass that grows on my property.
I have asked my neighbors to save their kitchen scraps for my compost piles and my earthworm farms.
I cook most nights of the week on my TLUD stove in my back yard. This produces biochar and doesn't add heat to my dwelling.

What does any of this have to do with anything?

This;
I am doing what I can. Those things listed above are things that are within my power to do. Little ways that I can make little differences.
Hell, most of my friends think I've gone off the deep end in my attempt to live in balance with nature.

But I still need to drive to work every day.
I still need to store food and cool the house. (Although the AC is never set below 80).
If I could afford to I would have solar panels all over my roof, wind generators all over my yard and would be driving a solar powered vehicle. But I can't afford it.

I would love to live in a world that didn't need to drill holes in the earth to bleed it of it's oil. But this is the world I was born into 50 some odd years ago and I can only do what I can to improve the situation. And for me that's to think outside of the box a little and do the little things that might save a little power or a little water or that adds nutrients back into the soil.
Little steps. Little steps.

If you have given up your gas powered vehicles and have given up the conveniences that have become so much a part of our lives. Especially in this country. Then more power to you. I haven't figured out a way to do that and still stay married.

I do however understand the outrage that you and other are expressing. I share in feeling that outrage.
At the same time, I know that I have been and remain a part of the problem. I've always liked driving. I like cold beer and fresh food. I like air-conditioning, I like living like a spoiled American.

We didn't get here over night and we won't change over night.
Little steps. Little steps.
I, like most cannot find a way at this time to do many things to make a major difference. I do find myself with a higher level of consciousness as I go through my day, and try to act accordingly if possible.

You seem to have found a way to do the same in small steps. Can you imagine if most people just applied some of your conduct to their lives. You apparently have made a difference in the way you think. I will try to apply some of those things to my life. Thank You!
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I cook most nights of the week on my TLUD stove in my back yard. This produces biochar and doesn't add heat to my dwelling.
I hate to tell you this; but use of natural gas, propane, or electricity (from an efficient coal-fired powerplant) is way, way less pollutive than burning wood or wood pellets to cook. Not to mention the health concerns of cooking over wood on a daily basis. When you burn wood or pellets you produce particulate matter and carbon monoxide; in addition to the CO2. I would switch over to mulching or composting your stove fuel.
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