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Because of Obama's Mordant Anti-oil stance. Jobs here in the south land are drying up. I've seen several small businesses already closed down. It isn't just the Oil field workers, but a ripple effect that is spreading across the southland. He (the President) claims that he is working to increase jobs. But every step he has taken has been causing job lose here in the Southland.
And his commission on the oil spill are all socialists who have no oil field experience at all and from their glorified heights of Acadamia are enspousing Socialist attitudes and have no real solutions...

Obama and his staff have been completely useless here. Don't expect much from them at all.
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K1 wrote "guess it is worth reiterating that not everything the media reports is totally objective, precise or reality..."

are you saying that NatGeo was/is irresponsible in reporting this...or that the EPA does NOT test for toxicity, or that ...

we will never know whether the dispersant was used at all, used to the tune of millions of gallons - then stopped, or used to the tune of millions of gallons and is still being used.

I heard from a ham radio list, ham aboard the NOAA ship, that they were "escorted" off several water column plumes and spills affecting several thousand feet of water column, while taking water samples to test for toxicity of the dispersants and what was in the plumes/water column....

once again, we the people are fed another line of BS by this president and his suite of incompetents on the scene....

btw, NO ONE has said much about the initial PSI of over 11K PSI, while the well was free flowing and the current 6-7K PSI...what happened to the other pressure, that they experts were so positive of, back then...it seems that everyone is now nodding in agreement that 6,500 PSI is a GOOD thing...

This report was one of the many during that timeframe, that caused me to post my last message about what does the EPA actually DO....

now I am more confused than ever...as I thought NatGeo of all, may actually have some truth to their reports..
The latest and greatest from the news this morning is that the oil is seeping from the sea bed. They showed What looked like oil coming up from the sea floor bypassing the well. Which is why the pressures are so low. But it is a heck of a lot slower leak then the well itself.
I keep hearing how BP only has 40 ft to go to get to the well casing. Could we finish the last 40 ft and try to plug this thing already? They drilled thousands of feet in 2 months and can't get the last 40 handled? Come on!
Now Bp wants to capture the oil from the cap they put on the well. Why do I get the feeling they just want the oil and everything else be dammed?
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rumor from the coasties on site and a friend on the NOAA boat is that BP is afraid of rupturing the existing casing...they are not sure where the stinger is, and they have disturbed the solid matter around the existing casing MANY feet back from the exposed head. They apparently have to pull the drill and send in a magnetic DF to "see" how close to the target they are...then re-insert the drill and drill some more with a new heading.

the more they disturb the bottom around the existing casing, the more risk of it rupturing. Some with Anadarko have stated for the record that the existing casing is stressed or cracked some distance back from the working end. Anadarko experts said to NOT touch the casing for at least 1800-2000 feet from the head...BP has different ideas and so does the Fed...

I think the reality is that someone, has figured out that they (whoever they is) can actually make things a lot worse than it currently is. And THEY don't want to be the ones pulling the trigger...THEY want some one else to tell them what to do, then they can say/blame/excuse the other...

Seems science held up...low pressures = leak somewhere...if only the experts could see that...

Oh well, BP and the Pres better get alternate Plan B in place pretty damn fast.....
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Oh well, BP and the Pres better get alternate Plan B in place pretty damn fast.....

exactly...

They never had a plan "A".

BP drillied having no plan "A".

The Government respondes having no "Plan A"

Everything has been operation improvosation from day one by all responders..

Now they need a " Plan B "..

After wasting Three months on orchistrated known failure techniques from Ixtoc.....
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wait and it will soon come out they knew there was a leak before they used this new cap....any takers???

many have said there was a second fissure months ago


deception,lies and cover-ups.....and yet we must trust them...pssst anyone seen Stalin????
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Obama and his staff have been completely useless here. Don't expect much from them at all.
His Commission lacks any members with industry experience, or even any academic training in geology. Finally, they have hired a retirer Shell engineer as a 'science advisor', but of course he doesn't have a vote.

And now both the House and Senate want to have their "own" commissions too:

Dueling Spill Commissions? - Green Blog - NYTimes.com

Can any institution match the House, Senate, and Executive branches in needless duplication? How many congressional committees are there? And why does *each* have to have its own "hearing" in front of the TV cameras, which eschew any real fact-finding from witnesses in favor of windy 'opening statements' in which the members compliment each other for being members and then yell at the company representatives, who sit there and look miserable, as they did before the 22 other committees.

The joint investigation here in New Orleans is quietly doing its job, but those in Congress and Administration seem to ignore it and reinvent the wheel over and over again.

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Oh well, BP and the Pres better get alternate Plan B in place pretty damn fast.....

exactly...

They never had a plan "A".

BP drillied having no plan "A".

The Government respondes having no "Plan A"

Everything has been operation improvosation from day one by all responders..

Now they need a " Plan B "..

After wasting Three months on orchistrated known failure techniques from Ixtoc.....
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wait and it will soon come out they knew there was a leak before they used this new cap....any takers???

many have said there was a second fissure months ago


deception,lies and cover-ups.....and yet we must trust them...pssst anyone seen Stalin????
Just want to say one thing Sails: DITTO !!!
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His Commission lacks any members with industry experience, or even any academic training in geology. Finally, they have hired a retirer Shell engineer as a 'science advisor', but of course he doesn't have a vote.

And now both the House and Senate want to have their "own" commissions too:

Dueling Spill Commissions? - Green Blog - NYTimes.com

Can any institution match the House, Senate, and Executive branches in needless duplication? How many congressional committees are there? And why does *each* have to have its own "hearing" in front of the TV cameras, which eschew any real fact-finding from witnesses in favor of windy 'opening statements' in which the members compliment each other for being members and then yell at the company representatives, who sit there and look miserable, as they did before the 22 other committees.

The joint investigation here in New Orleans is quietly doing its job, but those in Congress and Administration seem to ignore it and reinvent the wheel over and over again.
At least La is doing something. My state has a sit and wait attitude about this whole thing.Our tourism industry is crap right now. Vacancy rates at our beach hotels are over the 85% mark.
All that lost cash is having an affect on the local economy. No one goes out to dinner, see a movie, or buys anything unless they absolutely have to have it. Trickle down economics is alive and well on the west coast of Florida these days.
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Because of Obama's Mordant Anti-oil stance. Jobs here in the south land are drying up. I've seen several small businesses already closed down. It isn't just the Oil field workers, but a ripple effect that is spreading across the southland. He (the President) claims that he is working to increase jobs. But every step he has taken has been causing job lose here in the Southland.
And his commission on the oil spill are all socialists who have no oil field experience at all and from their glorified heights of Acadamia are enspousing Socialist attitudes and have no real solutions...
With all due respect, this is absolute nonsense. President Obama originally annuonced opening of numerous tracts of offshore coastal areas for drilling. It was BP's gross ineptness that put a temporary halt to going forward with this.

As for the commission, please take a look at today's news.

"Obama's Spill Commission Unleashes a Shocker:

...But its second day-long session included a big surprise: Its co-chairmen -- former Florida Senator Bob Graham and William Reilly, former head of the Environmental Protection Agency under the first President Bush -- questioned the need for a six-month ban. In fact, Graham, who long fought against drilling off Florida's coast, said, "We're going to look over (the administration's) shoulder and have some comments to make as to whether we think the judgments they made are appropriate."

Hmmmm. Maybe the commission isn't as one sided as originally thought?

Obama's Spill Commission Unleashes a Shocker - Yahoo! News
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With all due respect, this is absolute nonsense. President Obama originally annuonced opening of numerous tracts of offshore coastal areas for drilling. It was BP's gross ineptness that put a temporary halt to going forward with this.

As for the commission, please take a look at today's news.

"Obama's Spill Commission Unleashes a Shocker:

...But its second day-long session included a big surprise: Its co-chairmen -- former Florida Senator Bob Graham and William Reilly, former head of the Environmental Protection Agency under the first President Bush -- questioned the need for a six-month ban. In fact, Graham, who long fought against drilling off Florida's coast, said, "We're going to look over (the administration's) shoulder and have some comments to make as to whether we think the judgments they made are appropriate."

Hmmmm. Maybe the commission isn't as one sided as originally thought?

Obama's Spill Commission Unleashes a Shocker - Yahoo! News
Being here in Florida, living,working, and seeing Bob Graham serve as senator for this state.I can say from experience " don't be to impressed " with Bob Graham. He's a politician like all the rest.
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The time stamp is last evening...
If this is happening,then there is a serious problem..
This rover went offline right after
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