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The fine has nothing to do with the flow rate!
They are fined by the barrell so yes it does...BP lied and said 5k barrells when it was MUCH higher....proven fact and was also stated in the hearing WHY...they got caught


Do you really think they could hide the spill by using dispersants?

nope but they tried they even tried to deny the PLUMES created by them..FACT

Do you really think things are not staged when the Pres shows up with his media hoards at any oil spill or any other event for that matter?


was not the time when we can see them....they screwed up ..why not admit that rather than praise them????


Fact is they have lied from day one and are PARANOID ........FACT it shows in their behavior...

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K1 wrote

"think things are not staged when the Pres shows up with his media hoards "...

every president has these events and stops and if you saw the scripting, paperwork, man hours and sheer numbers of people involved..you would really get POed..all that equals $$$$$ out the wazoo.

Having worked near White House Communications for a while...you get to see the "real and up close" goings on...

they send out at least 3 "sets" of pres gear and no one really knows whose is the right set, or the set that is going to be used...every step/minute/arrival/departure is scripted to the Pres, and they really don't care what his politics are...they just do the job, and then the next one and so on..

.. and when I say sets, I mean everything from the big plane all the way down to the security teams and secret service and PA systems, podiums, and cables...all have to be set up and torn down by our military and their contractors...

On the other front, every Corp in america behaves just like BP has in this incident....there are people paid to do all those things that In mentions...deliberate or by accident it is only perception and perspective that one can use to decide...

One large Corp in Chicago, had a several hundred page "disaster" plan...and like BP never got off the first page before the stuff hit the fan when it was tested, and then later put in place, yet they have dozens/hundreds of people working on the plans.

As part of my training them, I would tell them that if their disaster/business continuity/whatever PC term they use was more than 3 pages long and involved more than two talking heads....it was doomed to failure....and as BP has found out...they too are doomed...as the right people are never where they are supposed to be, those do gooders who are around and that know more go ahead and talk to the media, which BTW is never a good idea no matter where you stand

And although BP has stepped in it every step of the way, they are not unique, nor are they "trying" to be devious...just the way big business behaves...

Sadly you guys in the Gulf are, and will pay the price short term, the rest of us will get a few years grace before the effects stomp us...
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Here is some food for thought. It seems spills has been going on for awhile.
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Sadly you guys in the Gulf are, and will pay the price short term, the rest of us will get a few years grace before the effects stomp us...


I hope when you get stomped like we are others don't call you names and beat you while you are down....the one paying the cost for all of us should be BP for their actions and bribes to MMS to get the permits...

yes they cheated the system as many buisness's do...but they got caught so it's time now more than ever for honesty...They know we are right or they would not be covering up BP signs at stations across the south with canvas signs that say SHELL....Their rep is so bad now they are hurting their franchises

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Sadly you guys in the Gulf are, and will pay the price short term, the rest of us will get a few years grace before the effects stomp us...


I hope when you get stomped like we are others do call you names and beat you while you are down....the one paying the cost for all of us should be BP for their actions and bribes to MMS to get the permits...


----I don't disagree at all...they should be made to pay and I am not beating you when you are down, it is just that the nation expected this Pres to "kick a**" and he refuses to do so...from the media reports that BP "Paid $20B" when they have only to pay $5B a year all the way down to the points that you have made....No one will stand up and force their hand. Maybe they can't, but I betcha they could do more, if they wanted to and if this was a priority. It isn't and as long as this Pres can make it "look like" he is active and involved...what you see is what you get. Nothing has changed, nor will it in his administration.

yes they cheated the system as many buisness's do...but they got caught so it's time now more than ever for honesty...They know we are right or they would not be covering up BP signs at stations across the south with canvas signs that say SHELL....Their rep is so bad now they are hurting their franchises

-----They are not going to be honest, we have learned that already, so next step is to get the victims involved, you guys are going to have to get your congressboobs, and Governor's to step up, quit whining, and DO something...like collectively showing up at the WH...but they can't and won't even do that, as their politics/agendas are getting in the way...and they don't want to risk a career getting it wrong.

I have tried writing/web to the affected states congressmen, but they won't take info from me...I am out of state, therefore out of mind...and even that PO's me...as here in VA the state of MD can make laws restricting MY use of the Potomac River and Chesapeake Bay...and there is not a thing I can do about it.
As I posted weeks ago....WE are collectively so screwed and so far have merely said "thank you" to the Pres and BP for doing it...

And we as a nation are so apathetic, so worried about our next handout, and PC behavior...that until this affects us personally and directly in the backside....we just go on our merry way...

I feel for you in this, and as you, I know in my heart that BP will escape this along with our Pres and his minions...fro pennies on the dollar or worse..they are selling assets and circling the wagons...and no one wants their problems or to be near them till this all "blows over"

it is just not important in the way that you and I think it is important...

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As I posted weeks ago....WE are collectively so screwed and so far have merely said "thank you" to the Pres and BP for doing it...

And we as a nation are so apathetic, so worried about our next handout, and PC behavior...that until this affects us personally and directly in the backside....we just go on our merry way...

I feel for you in this, and as you, I know in my heart that BP will escape this along with our Pres and his minions...fro pennies on the dollar or worse..they are selling assets and circling the wagons...and no one wants their problems or to be near them till this all "blows over"

it is just not important in the way that you and I think it is important...
Sorry ...I just noticed I left out an "n't" ..I fixed that!!..should have been I hope they don't beat you when you are down
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The fine has nothing to do with the flow rate!
They are fined by the barrell so yes it does...

On what do you base this? Statutory reference? OPA Section and paragraph?
[won't presume the term "barrell" is anything other than a typo...]
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here you go K1 ..there are fines up to 4300 dollars a barrel...so it is in BPs favor to lie and cover up........now post a link that shows there are no fines...


You doupt people and never post links...

here is a link on the fines...

prove it wrong and post a link...

Special report: Civil fine in Gulf spill could be $4,300 barrel | Reuters


we all know they covered up how much was leaking to avoid the fines that may now MAY reach 34 billion dollars...


SHARP RISE IN FINES

The basic fine, according to the act, is $1,100 per barrel spilled. But the penalty can rise to $4,300 a barrel if a federal court rules the spill resulted from gross negligence. The fines were originally set at $1,000 to $3,000 but that was raised in 2004 to keep up with inflation, according to Tracy Hester, head of the Environmental Law and Policy program at the University of Houston.

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here you go K1 ..there are fines up to 4300 dollars a barrel...so it is in BPs favor to lie and cover up........now post a link that shows there are no fines...


You doupt people and never post links...

here is a link on the fines...

prove it wrong and post a link...

Special report: Civil fine in Gulf spill could be $4,300 barrel | Reuters

I didn't know that and I admit I was incorrect. It will be interesting to see if the government pursues this clause in the CWA which it has never done previously (to my knowledge) probably because gross negligence is always a high bar to reach even in this case.

I wonder how difficult it will be for BP to defend this civil litigation
based upon a number (spill volume) no one can precisely determine.
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How much do you wanna bet that BP or the Gov uses the 20 billion to cover the fines?
I don't trust anyone here. Not the Gov not BP not Congress no one.
And K1 You know darn well that BP grossly under estimated the amount of oil entering the gulf. To go from 5000 to over 40,000 in a period of 2 or 3 days proves just how deceitful of the company truly is.
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