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And lucky that the winds were light, the seas remained calm, the wind directions remained favorable, and getting a huge fuel drop (for their motor-sail and to help ballast the hull). There was a huge amount of luck here; that nobody seems to mention or pay respect to. This year was an oddball for wind and weather offshore; the Pacific High was replaced by a weak low all summer and the winds were not the strong NNW that would normally make the return trip an upwind slog back to SF or LA.

I'm glad they made it back in without need for rescue; and that luck was on their side. Without the favorable conditions the outcome could have been a tragedy (regardless of Ronnie's experience level).
Actually, I've always mentioned luck as the primary factor in the majority of survived passages-gone-bad. So as long as one is attributing that luck factor equally between the "skilled" and "less skilled" - it's all good.
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So as long as one is attributing that luck factor equally between the "skilled" and "less skilled" - it's all good.
+1 There ya go making sense, fair is fair.
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Smack, setting all that Ronnie hyperbole aside for a moment, can we talk about Warrior’s Wish? Unfortunately, they moved her out Richmond before I had a chance to look at her and I couldn’t find any “real” discussion about the damage and it’s causes over on SA. Have you heard of Warrior’s Wish’s fate? The cracks in the hull where the stringers are not too promising. It looks like pretty major structural damage to the stringers and I’m guessing pretty impossible to fix (links to interior photos please?). Ronnie didn’t mention any leaking, but water must have gotten around the cracks and I’m assuming that the keel bolts were bedded with 5200 or the broken off heads would have fallen off and leaked. Has any of the SA’ers weighed in on the cause? I can only surmize that it was a combination crevis corrosion and improperly torqued bolts. Too bad they didn’t catch that during thier race prep. One more thing that has me curious is them leaving Hawaii with so little fuel (and some of that was allocated to charging batteries). Their plan of sailing 90% of the way would force them to stay on the southern edge of the high. Either giving them a course to San Diego/Cabo or doubling their transit time by “short” tacking their way to S.F. The people I've known who done it put between five and ten days of fuel on board so they can exit the high off of Oregon and beam reach home.
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Actually, I've always mentioned luck as the primary factor in the majority of survived passages-gone-bad. So as long as one is attributing that luck factor equally between the "skilled" and "less skilled" - it's all good.
Except that if you are not skilled; luck won't matter much. If you don't know how to stem a leak you won't need the luck of good weather - get it?

In Ronnie's first offshore venture he did not fail because his luck was bad. He failed because he was inexperienced and therefore not prepared. As he said himself; if his friend the delivery captain were not aboard coming back from HI, the situation would have been much different (he likely would have went aboard the ship that dropped them fuel). I don't think anyone would have called fault to him for doing that if he was out there alone.

But please; don't equate all successful crossings-gone-bad with the need for a knowledgeable sailor to have luck. There are LOTS of things that could be done to save yourself (sans luck) if you know what to do and are properly prepared and equipped to do them. And in many cases that is the difference between surviving a storm at sea and becoming another statistic or an EPIRB/raft deployment.

I mentioned the luck to remind everyone that this self-rescue was not without lots of it; not to have that statement twisted into the outright "need" for it by everyone who gets in trouble.
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Except that if you are not skilled; luck won't matter much. If you don't know how to stem a leak you won't need the luck of good weather - get it?

In Ronnie's first offshore venture he did not fail because his luck was bad. He failed because he was inexperienced and therefore not prepared. As he said himself; if his friend the delivery captain were not aboard coming back from HI, the situation would have been much different (he likely would have went aboard the ship that dropped them fuel). I don't think anyone would have called fault to him for doing that if he was out there alone.

But please; don't equate all successful crossings-gone-bad with the need for a knowledgeable sailor to have luck. There are LOTS of things that could be done to save yourself (sans luck) if you know what to do and are properly prepared and equipped to do them. And in many cases that is the difference between surviving a storm at sea and becoming another statistic or an EPIRB/raft deployment.

I mentioned the luck to remind everyone that this self-rescue was not without lots of it; not to have that statement twisted into the outright "need" for it by everyone who gets in trouble.
Okay Keel. If you want to keep chasing your tail, that's cool. Here's where your circle started by the way (you chimed in a page or so after my post)...

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/genera...tml#post382540
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Smack, setting all that Ronnie hyperbole aside for a moment, can we talk about Warrior’s Wish? Unfortunately, they moved her out Richmond before I had a chance to look at her and I couldn’t find any “real” discussion about the damage and it’s causes over on SA. Have you heard of Warrior’s Wish’s fate? The cracks in the hull where the stringers are not too promising. It looks like pretty major structural damage to the stringers and I’m guessing pretty impossible to fix (links to interior photos please?). Ronnie didn’t mention any leaking, but water must have gotten around the cracks and I’m assuming that the keel bolts were bedded with 5200 or the broken off heads would have fallen off and leaked. Has any of the SA’ers weighed in on the cause? I can only surmize that it was a combination crevis corrosion and improperly torqued bolts. Too bad they didn’t catch that during thier race prep. One more thing that has me curious is them leaving Hawaii with so little fuel (and some of that was allocated to charging batteries). Their plan of sailing 90% of the way would force them to stay on the southern edge of the high. Either giving them a course to San Diego/Cabo or doubling their transit time by “short” tacking their way to S.F. The people I've known who done it put between five and ten days of fuel on board so they can exit the high off of Oregon and beam reach home.
George - the only good photos I've seen of this are from here:

Go Ronnie, Go! - Sailing Anarchy Forums - Page 10

I think I linked to them on page 9 in this thread too. There really hasn't been a good analysis of the failure from what I've seen. So it is a pretty critical question in my book.

As for the fuel issue, good question.
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From Ronnie's blog I will update the blog soon with a more detailed account of the whole keel thing

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Ralph - did you see Ronnie's write up of that on the SA front page? He put part one up a few days ago. Freaky stuff.
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Yep....waiting for part II. Sounds like it was a very long ride home. Ronnie made it pretty clear he would have bailed. So, Ed's experience made the difference in this case, along with some luck thrown in. On the plus side, Ronnie has some miles under his keel, and has gained more experience. As a friend, I wish he would give up the solo sailing for awhile, but probably ain't happnin.

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Wow...speaking of full circle...I'm a bit gobsmacked. Skip Allan just posted over at SA giving huge kudos to Ronnie and Ed for getting the boat home.

Now that, my good fellows, is SERIOUS class.

What say you LFSers now?
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