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I hope to get started sailing soon and saw a 33' schooner with a fiberglass hull for sail.
Is this a good sailing vessel?
Can it be sailed with one person if line controls are run to the cockpit?
Is it easy or hard to sail?

How might it handle in light winds?

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Have you ever been on a sailboat of any sort? I don't think so. IF you had, you'd realize that a gaff rigged schooner, even one as small as 33' LOA is not going to be an easy first boat.

I certainly wouldn't recommend a schooner as your first boat, especially a gaff rigged schooner. Most gaff rigged schooners are difficult to single-hand, and more so when you're just starting out. I'd point out that most sailing schools don't teach how to sail a gaff-rigged boat either... so there will be a pretty steep learning curve, even if you take lessons.

One guy I know owns a 50' gaff-rigged schooner, and he never goes out alone. It's a pretty boat under sail, but he always has at least two crew aboard.

Also, it really doesn't make much have a gaff rigged schooner in a boat as small as the one you're looking at. The sails of a 33' sailboat aren't big enough to really require being split up into multiple sails.

The most common rig nowadays is a marconi/bermudan rigged sloop for a reason. It goes to weather the best out of all the common sail rigs and with modern winches and line handling gear is relatively easy to handle, even on larger boats. This is the most commonly found rig when you're looking at sailing schools, and probably the easiest to learn—having the fewest REQUIRED controls for a multiple sail setup.

Yes, a catboat rig is even simpler, having just one mammoth sail, but it can be harder to control and learn IMHO, and many catboats are gaff-rigged.

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Why a split rig for 33 feet? It's certainly not the traditional reason,- to lessen the size of the largerr sails to handle. It's probably not my reason,- so I can clear under 55' fixed bridges. That leaves the most likely reason,- to have the looks and romantic style. This departs from the pragmatic rule that form follows function and suggests that much of the vessel would be a sacrifice of function. Take care and joy, Aythya crew
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The most common rig nowadays is a marconi/bermudan rigged sloop for a reason. It goes to weather the best out of all the common sail rigs and with modern winches and line handling gear is relatively easy to handle, even on larger boats. This is the most commonly found rig when you're looking at sailing schools, and probably the easiest to learn—having the fewest REQUIRED controls for a multiple sail setup.
Good point. My Grandfather's boat was converted to a marconi rig sometime between between the late 1930's and the late 1940's. The reason was that his 5 sons were away at war or school and so they had fewer hands to handle the sails.

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I would pass on that boat, Tom. You'd be doing enough work to drive a 50' or 60' boat, but only be driving a 30' boat. Which means all the effort of a huge boat, and all the disadvantages of a small boat.

Plus, the boat would feel even smaller because you'd be loosing a lot of storage space to all those extra sails, you'd be loosing deck space to all that extra rigging, and you'd be loosing money to all the extra expense of maintaining it.

Plus, to answer your question directly, that thing is going to be a bear in light winds because you'll be making sail changes every time you turn around. No es bueno, senior

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Cool schooner

Wow, what a cool picture and a cool boat! Do you know where the boat is now? Attached is a picture of the one I am looking at. Notice the aft mast is stepped but looks the same heighth. My main question is what is this going to be like to sail in comparison to a more standard main and jig sail setup.
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picture of the boat

hopefully, here it is.
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Run.... run away far and fast. This thing will break your heart, will, and wallet even if it's given to you.
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no schooner???

Man,
I've been falling in love with this thing. It seems to have lots of roomy space underneath and protected cabin for sailing. You really think this is a mistake?
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What the hell is that thing. What did they do to the cabintop??? that is really an ugly abortion and should be burned or scuttled.

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no schooner???

Hey Saildog,
You're breaking my heart!
It is described as a custom built schooner- no brand name.

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