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Yeah.. that's not a sailboat. Well, ok, it has masts.. it was probably originally some sort of fishing trawler or something. Then somebody decided to put another mast on the back, probably the same time they did whatever you call that to the cabin.

Then there is the .. yeah.. you know what? Not even worth getting into.

If you are falling in love with it, take a hard look at the parts you like and remember them.. they'll be useful descriptors in finding your boat. But also remember that the boat in the picture is not a sailboat. So if you want a roomy boat with standup headroom in the cabin, well, groovy.

But if you want a boat... keep moving. That thing looks like a nightmare.

... or I'm wrong.

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Heartache or nightmare

Ok guys. I trust you. I will try to part our souls and move on to something a little more practical and customary.


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They say about cars, "You are what you drive." So , musicmanontheseas, do what you have to do. Your hearthrob has some nice lines, and with some surgery above deck she would be a damn sight prettier. Maybe you could unschooner her for a time until you get the hang of things.

Here's a 33 ft gaff schooner that has worked for me since 1962. Between us we are 146 years old and are both decaying at approximately the same rate. As for single-handing - it's manageable provided you plan ahead.

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Fishsticks—

Just curious, how long had you been sailing before singlehanding your gaff rigged schooner??

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schooners exist for real!

Hey Fishsticks,
That's a nice boat! What is interesting is that you called it a Custom Schooner and it is 33' the same as this other one. Is the word "Custom" a brand name or just a word referring to "someone who made it"?
Have any other pictures??

I do have five kids three of which are 8 and older. Will they make good crew hands (or a captain)?
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Hey Fishsticks,
That's a nice boat! What is interesting is that you called it a Custom Schooner and it is 33' the same as this other one. Is the word "Custom" a brand name or just a word referring to "someone who made it"?
Have any other pictures??

I do have five kids three of which are 8 and older. Will they make good crew hands (or a captain)?
Custom, meaning it is a one-off.

I agree with the others, run away from that boat. Being a romantic is good. Being a romantic about a boat, without the knowledge of sailing, maintenance, or a big pocketbook, is another matter altogether.

My Grandfather's boat is primordial slime by this time. Even at it's best, it suffered from too little maintenance from what I understand from my father, uncles, and oldest cousin who knew the boat. It was on Lake Ontario, at the mouth of the Niagara river.

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I've known some teenagers who made good crew.. but they generally had been sailing for at least a few years. And they were tall enough to reach the working lines/cleats/etc. Plus, they could haul a 35 pound anchor with chain on command. If your 8 year old is in that group, you should be fine

... or I'm wrong.

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More words from a senile fossil

As the caretaker of a nearly-extinct species – the 33 ft schooner – I feel dutybound to keep this thread going a bit longer. It’s not my intention to advise musicmanontheseas, for I am unaware of some vital information required to do so. Such as whether he is truly prepared to take on a very cost-intensive new hobby and whether it’s important for him to remain on good terms with the mother of those five kids.

I can see he has taken a peek at my public profile, and if he has done the math, he might question my claim of 146 years as the combined age of my boat and me, since the boat’s year is listed as 1951, making me an advanced octogenarian. Which I’m not. For my calculation I used 1939, the year the boat was started.



The original post questioned light air performance. In this photo it may not be evident, but my humble 33 footer is overtaking mighty AMERICA in a battle to reach the starting line in a race. Also not evident is the fact we are both being rapidly overtaken by the schooner in the background. As as she swept by us we observed she was anchored.



This is what schooners like to do. Reach!! Last week we had a 40 miler out to Stellwagen and back in six hours. Hit 8 knots for a bit. Nary a drop of water on deck.



These kids are dealing with the hardship of imprisonment on an old schooner.



And here is how we discipline a nine year old.

..... Getting back to the object of desire for musicmanontheseas – I say this is a boat with a history. He needs to do some digging and tell us more. But it’s a stretch to call her a schooner. More like a yawl. Had a practical owner at one point with the good sense to get out of the elements by sticking that pilot house on her. Appears she might be down in the stern a bit. Maybe got a big diesel in her?

Oh, and Sailingdog – as to how long before I started single-handing? Probably 9 or 10,000 miles. Life got better when I started reefing the main sooner rather than later.

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Life got better when I started reefing the main sooner rather than later.
That right there is a damn good philosophy to live by.
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That's a bit more experience than the poster has... If you figure that a boat goes 5 knots on average, that 2000 hours of sailing at a minimum. Figure sailing 10 hours a day, or 20 hours per week for a six month season, thats, a minimum of four seasons or so.

And I'm guessing this wasn't Fishstick's first boat.

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Oh, and Sailingdog – as to how long before I started single-handing? Probably 9 or 10,000 miles. Life got better when I started reefing the main sooner rather than later.

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