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Martness 08-22-2010 08:50 PM

sailboats and captains
 
My sailing experience is limited to an introductory sailing course and a few sailing jaunts that reaffirm that I have sea legs and appreciate the expanse of the ocean. It's been years since my last sail but now I want to buy a sail boat, hire a captain, and sail to Hawaii from San Francisco, learning more about sailing along the way. I'd like suggestions on open water boats that are easy to sail and more apt to forgive when given poor instructions. Here are a few that are for sale nearby that I'm looking at: Morgan 382, 38 feet, yr 1978. A 1999 Beneteau 411, 42 ft long. A pearson 365, and a hunter 3800. Feel free to suggest other boats.

I also want to hire a patient, laid back, knowledgeable captain for a month or so for the journey to Hawaii. If anyone one has any recommendations of captains; what I should expect to pay for a month of instructional delivery; or what to look for in a captain for such a trip, I would appreciate your input.

Thanks for your time.

Pickett

rgscpat 08-23-2010 04:45 AM

Would you have time to "test drive" or "audition" one or more skipper/instructors on some day trips before committing to spend a few weeks with someone? For a trip that long the personal aspects are critical.

Also, you could probably learn a whole lot about your boat starting with shorter sails with lots of maneuvering, docking, anchoring, traffic etc. as opposed to the long run to paradise where you might go for many hours at a stretch without needing to adjust trim.

Also, it might be easier for you to get your first "oopsies" with the new boat out of the way within a few hours of chandleries and repair shops. And, that would give you one or more captains' input and more time for your own ideas about how you'd like to improve and equip the boat for the big ocean run.

puddinlegs 08-23-2010 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Martness (Post 635417)

.... Here are a few that are for sale nearby that I'm looking at: Morgan 382, 38 feet, yr 1978. A 1999 Beneteau 411, 42 ft long. A pearson 365, and a hunter 3800. Feel free to suggest other boats.

Pickett

Very different boats from very different era's that will have very different issues. Two thoughts: don't be in a rush to buy anything. Spend plenty of time looking at A LOT of boats in your budget. (By the way, what is your budget? Remember that you'll need the cost of your boat + about 20% at a minimum to upgrade/equip and address basic maintenance issues) Rushing into a purchase can lead to very expensive buyer's remorse. Don't forget to add up the costs of moorage, potential new sails, etc....

Read up. There are a lot of books that will provide a baseline for thoughts about design, etc... There are many boats that will do the job you're looking for. The trick is to know enough to be able to make a list of 8-10 models that are close to what you're looking for, then find the best boat for the money that happens to be on the market in your purchasing time frame... While your looking, take your basic sailing lessons (ASA 101-104, etc...) including some dingy time if possible.

Three books for you:

Yacht Design According to Perry: My Boats and What Shaped Them by Robert Perry

The Voyager's Handbook: The Essential Guide to Blue Water Cruising by Beth A. Leonard

Boatowner's Mechanical and Electrical Manual: How to Maintain, Repair, and Improve Your Boat's Essential Systems by Nigel Calder

I'm sure other's will pipe in with book suggestions. As you sail locally, read, etc... you'll meet people and get a much better idea who you might look for to help skipper your boat.

Martness 08-24-2010 11:35 AM

Thanks
 
Thanks for the input. Advice noted.

DwayneSpeer 08-24-2010 02:47 PM

I've heard of this guy named Captain Ron that I think is looking for work.

rgscpat 08-24-2010 03:48 PM

get a berth
 
One other little idea -- getting a crew berth on an overnight or longer ocean race or cruising rally might give you a good luck at how boats can be set up for bluewater work. In California, for example, the Baja HaHa has a crew list and crew party for prospective skippers and crew to meet.

sailingdog 08-25-2010 09:13 AM

I'd point out that unless you're independently wealthy, hiring a captain to sail your boat from SFO to Hawaii is going to be a fairly expensive proposition, especially if you can find one that is willing to teach you along the way and take a new-to-you boat that may or may not be seaworthy for the voyage.

smackdaddy 08-25-2010 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingdog (Post 636472)
I'd point out that unless you're independently wealthy, hiring a captain to sail your boat from SFO to Hawaii is going to be a fairly expensive proposition, especially if you can find one that is willing to teach you along the way and take a new-to-you boat that may or may not be seaworthy for the voyage.

Out of curiosity - how much are we talking?

AE28 08-25-2010 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy (Post 636491)
Out of curiosity - how much are we talking?

smack...
Thinking of giving up yer day job!?!?

smackdaddy 08-25-2010 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AE28 (Post 636511)
smack...
Thinking of giving up yer day job!?!?

Heh-heh. Maybe.

I'm just curious about what the costs actually are. Independently wealthy seems like an attractive starting place.


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