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Guess who is finally ditching the furler and going hank up?

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Congratulations. Nice looking boat you scored too. Where geographically will you be exposing those nice sails to wind and UV light?

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First, congrats on the boat and the sails.

That said, while I'm not questioning your right to ditch the furler, you never really did say why.

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My other (real) reason is my love of proper sail shape/proper sail for given conditions. An antiquated notion, I know, but I have to be me.

To me, furlers and sail compromise just suck. This is only my opinion though, I totally get all the reasons to have one. Keep in mind I am also fascinated by celestial navigation and having no engine, so..
I can really appreciate where your'e coming from.


I thought I was the only nutter out there (although I still have the 150% on the furler), I bring the inner forestay to just behind the forestay and this makes me a 3/4 rig. Sometimes use in a channel or on a quiet sail.

Celestial as well.

great stuff CnC


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I LOVE my hank-on foresails!!! I simply wouldn't go with roller-furling unless they already came with the boat. Here's why:

1) I use a twin-forestay set-up. Not a cutter, these twin forestays are only a few inches apart. I keep the 150 genny bent on the port forestay and I keep the working jib bent on the strbd forestay. I keep them tied to the life-lines when not in use, ready to go...I just go forward and undo the ties. Whenever I want to change sail, I just raise one and lower the other, as both sails are already hanked-on their separate jib. It's easy. Most of the time, I use the same halyard, so I DO have to go forward to unclip and re-clip the halyard. However, in offshore conditions, I CAN use my secondary halyard for the other sail and if I attach a downhaul on each sail, I'd basically only need to go midships to the mast for sail changes. This doesn't change the fact that I still must go forward to tie whichever downed sail back to it's respective lifelines (the one big advantage of roller-furling)...but I have good footing at sea, and as long as I'm harnessed in and crouched or sitting on foredeck, I don't mind going out...it's actually one of the exciting things I love...and PREFER it over tidily winching in a roller-furl line from the comfort of the cockpit. Sailings NOT about comfort for me...it never has been.

2) I like to sail to and from whichever dock, often in tight quarters. Because my boat is a ketch rig, I use my foresail and mizzen in conjunction with each other (whereby I can spin my boat in her own circumference by simply raising and lowering the jib and mizzen as needed to spin...try doing THAT on a roller-furling sloop or cutter!). I also douse and re-raise my foresail to control my boat speed while docking under sail. If, after, I douse it, I find I need a little more speed, I'll quickly raise it again maybe half-way (I take the jib halyard aft with me into the cockpit when docking under sail). It's a lost art doing it this way, but it's an art I LOVE. If I had roller-furling I couldn't do half of this, and would be forced to turn the engine on in tight quarters like most other people.

No...I'll keep my hank-ons, thank you.

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My first boat was hank on. Oh Joy has a furler and a hank on staysail. I hate the furler....

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Abracadabra has a Tuff Luff. The Admiral keeps suggesting we look at a furler. (Mainly, she's nervous about me being up on the foredeck--particular if conditions get... interesting.) I keep telling her "No way!"

Harken makes a system that can be used either as a furler or like our Tuff Luff. That, I wouldn't mind a bit

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Nice score. Now you've got a racing inventory.

quote=chrisncate;653421] I have heard the arguments about being on deck in the stink, but for us, hank ups are 100% the way to go. [/quote]

That plus you will have the proper sail up when its stinky not the tail end of a rolled up 150%.

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Roller furlers are a nice convenience system for when we are older and less nimble. I spent my first five sesons with hank-ons and they worked fine enough but I kept looking at others with furlers and finally thought I should have one. I bought a Schaefer Snapfurl CF700 and though it works like a charm I soon questioned the return on investment. Sure it is nice to just pull that sail in and out from the cockpit easy as can be, and I can and do switch headsails for conditions before leaving my slip, but it seems like it was a lot of money and work for something so simple and it really was not all that bad with hank-ons. In hind sight I might not be so quick to get a furler and I would not highly recommend them but only moderately recommend one for older less nimble sailors. Now that I have it though I will keep it on and use it but I do not think they rate that high on the must have list.
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This is all good to hear! I will be trying to set up my boat for better single-handing. I have hank-on and don't want to spend the $ on furler and sails.

Do all you 'Hankers' use a downhaul? Special thimbals, or just through the hanks?
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